Talk:Censorship in the Republic of Ireland

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Are any Movies still banned in Ireland? --Richy 19:48, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

As the article says, Natural Born Killers is still banned. Kiand 19:55, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Or not, if the IMDB is to be believed. Claims to have been rerated. Will contact IFCO. Kiand 19:57, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

http://imdb.com/List?certificates=Ireland:(Banned)&&heading=14;Ireland:(Banned) lists all movies to have ever been banned here, whether now unbanned or not.

No, NBK is not still banned in Ireland. In fact, hardly any of the films listed on the IMDb as banned in Ireland are still banned. The listing only reflects the initial ban, and if you follow the link for most of the films you will see what year the film was unbanned. In some cases it was within weeks of the first submission.


--Attila the Pooh 23:18, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

One that I'm pretty sure still is, is Showgirls, but I'm not positive. Bans are effectively useless now, if the film isn't banned everywhere in the EU. You could import a copy, and under the assumption you got caught (its extremely unlikely, but a neccessary tool for this example) you could challenge the ban of the film as a barrier to trade - a violation of EU legislation. There are a good few films on amazon.co.uk which are banned in Ireland, but they will ship here nonetheless, Showgirls being one. - Рэдхот 13:23, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lads it was unfair to remove my edit about Ryanair as it is accurate. The ASA is a toothless dog and won't take sanctions against advertisers. The passage in the article is inaccuate. The ASA cannot take a publication off the sheleves. The ASA is a trade association and not a govt funded association. Prehaps they need to cite their source for this section of article before I remove the ryanair references which I can back up. Aerlingus 18:05, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Music[edit]

What is the source for many shops sourcing their stock from North America to avoid censorship? I have never seen an album or single in any shop in Dublin, that didn't say "Made in the EU" on the back, and this includes multiple albums with explicit lyrics, an example I know for sure is I'm Not Dead by P!nk, which has explicit lyrics, and carries "Made in the EU" on the back. The only case I have seen is an album which has not (yet) been released in Ireland, e.g. Oral Fixation Vol. 2 was an import in HMV for a long time, until the Irish release. Can someone get a source for this North America thing? - Рэдхот 13:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That'd be because most CD pressing plants are in Europe... most of my direct US imports here have "Made in the EU" on them to. Check the catalogue numbers of CDs, particularly Warner or Sony ones, against discogs.com and you'll notice they're usually all Canadian or US versions, not the UK version. Anyway, its not to avoid censorship, its cost/parent company related, US releases are far -more- likely to be censored, it just means that you get more CDs in stores here with the "Parental Advisory: Explicit Lyrics" stickers on them than you do in the rest of Europe. --Kiand 14:41, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I see... unless I'm missunderstanding what you're saying, then the article's statement isn't wrong, but it's not exactly right either? Is that it? And I also have imported a few CDs from US but they all have "Made in USA" on them. Also, if they're made in the EU, then they're not exactly "sourcing" the stock from North America - I can't imagine its exported there, then imported back. - Рэдхот 17:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Worryingly, it often is. Even more wasteful than Microsoft sending all their Irish pressed CDs to Malta to be posted out to Irish users. I also have some US discs with "Made in the USA" on them, as well as European or Australian ones; but the majority of pressing plants are in the EU. --Kiand 20:14, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well thanks. That's very strange though. - Рэдхот 19:36, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"Buying" CDs, now that is quaint. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.219.86 (talk • contribs) 20:05, June 20, 2007

Under the Music subsection in the Unusual Oversights section there is a reference to Channel 6. However, this channel is now known by another name

The Ban on Jazz[edit]

Did any countries apart from Ireland share the dubious distinction of having "jazz" banned from radio airplay with Nazi Germany ? 2.216.13.220 (talk) 11:17, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hardcore pornography contradiction?[edit]

What is the source that it is legal? I have not seen anything to this effect, in fact quite to the contrary. Can someone confirm this, especially hardcore? If it is, why is classification usually refused, since DVDs have to carry a cert unless exempt. Don't they? I think it contradicts itself as well, where it says that video games can be banned if they have it. - Рэдхот 14:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DVD's have to have certification to be sold publically, virtually anything can be shown or sold in members clubs, which I presume those places you see dirty old men in raincoats going in to on Capel Street are... could be "members clubs" like the IFI where you just pay an extra 2 quid in if you don't have a card, mind. The IFI itself has shown a number of european "Art movies" that were refused 18 due to extreme sexual content. --Kiand 15:37, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Possession of it may not be by itself illegal and so if you obtain it somehow you couldn't be charged with any offence simply for having it in your possession therefore it is "legal".

I believe it is the censor policy not to give it a certificate

I have heard stories that in the past the ban on particular books only applied to one version of the book , usually a paperback version , and that it was quite legal to sell the hardback versionGarda40 15:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As goes the books, sometimes the version of a book from one publisher was banned and it was legal from another, or the abridged version was banned and the full one wasn't (!), that was quite common. CPB was about as basketcase as every other state organisation is... --Kiand 15:59, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That still seems to contradict other parts. If the films are kind of legal, then why could video games be banned for the same reason. - Рэдхот 12:33, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Because I believe it is Government policy and therefore by extension censor policy that Hardcore porn shouldn't be on sale publicly in Ireland and have given the censor power to ban it's sale whether in movies or a video game.

The thinking behind that seems to be that making the material impossible to obtain in Ireland legally was enough by itself and you didn't have to go and waste time amending the law to make possession itself illegal.Garda40 14:08, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

But in that case it's not really de jure legal (just de facto). Also, the website for Revenue says that obscene materials may be confiscated by customs authorities on entry, so doesn't that suggest otherwise? - Рэдхот 17:31, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sex shops are definitely not members only. From time to time, they are raided by the gardai and many of the DVDS, videos confiscated. I think hardcore porn occupies a grey area, where it isn't legal but legislation isn't enforced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.42.212 (talk • contribs) 17:43, 17 May 2007

A few things[edit]

Firstly I've added in the fact that TV3 used to show adult videos on their late-night music show a few years ago, I can't remember what the name of the show was or what specific years it ran from (I would think it was about '03 to '05), does anyone else know the details?

On another issue, this sentence from the Computer Games section is quite confusing "This led to an unusual situation where in the 1990s, UK owned game sales multiples sold the sanitised versions of Carmageddon, whilst Irish owned stores sold the uncut versions imported from the United States.". It seems to be badly worded and I can't quite understand what is being said. Is it saying that UK owned games stores sold the censored version (Like Electronics Boutique and GAME (retailer)) and Irish owned stores sold the uncensored version?

Oh and finally the article states "Games may only be banned if they contain content which could be classed as pornography.", well I'm pretty sure Porn games like Leisure Suit Larry are legal (and in the Shops) in Ireland, so either that rule doesn't exist, or it isn't being enforced. --Hibernian 17:10, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, "Music Cubed" or "Music³", depending on how you accepted their name. And yeah, EB, HMV, etc sold UK-cut versions of games; Irish independents generally sold the uncut version. As goes Leisure Suit Larry, erm.... no idea. --Kiand 18:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Im pretty sure TV3 didnt show hardcore pornography ? 213.40.112.15 (talk) 17:18, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ireland is a member of PEGI, but places no legal powers on its age recommendations. Retailers may attempt to enforce them at their discretion, but in the case of a protest they must sell the product to the customer. THis bit is rather clumsily worded and misleading. PEGI is effectively an voluntary industry body. Its "age ratings" are simply recommendations. A retailer doesnt have to comply but on the other hand there is no law to say they MUST sell to a customer. A retailer does not HAVE to sell you anything (or even allow you on the premises) 213.40.112.15 (talk) 17:18, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lots of pointless fact tagging by anon[edit]

An anon user has gone and added a huge amount of {{fact}} tags on entirely uncitable content - best example being that theres no legislation to ban music/games - if theres no legislation, theres not anything to cite now is there? Although there is the ifco site. I've gone through the remaining ones and only one was actually easily citable. Many of the others hang on getting a full listing of what was controlled by the Censorship of Publications Board.

  1. Leaving Cert syllabus, that needs both a definitive CPB listing and a Dept. of Education syllabus listing, comparing those is Original Research so not citable
  2. Some movies still being banned - thats just true. IFCO's db doesn't go back more than 2 years and doesn't cover DVD releases so the, erm, three movies banned in the past 4 years or so aren't listed. Theres no way to cite for this, its just true.
  3. Movies getting lower age ratings - hard to cite for this one
  4. Movies not getting cut - ifco's own site says this albeit in far far more words, as does the wonderfully titled document "Irish Film Censorship: A Cultural Journey from Silent Cinema To Internet Pornography" which they provide on their site.
  5. NOTW/Playboy being banned - needs a definitive CPB listing. None seems to exist, theres a listing of what still is banned somewhere in a recent Iris Ofiguil mind...
  6. Both cites in the "Censorship of books section" need a CPB listing.
  7. Music videos - uncitable because this is again, "just true". most stations here get their videos from the UK record labels in the first place...

--Kiand 01:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is the importation or possession of banned materials legal?[edit]

Forgive this question, but I'm not Irish and the article does not make it clear. Could an Irish person attempting to subvert the ban on say, Manhunt 2, simply order it from the United States? It seems likely that this would not be difficult to do, but is it technically legal? Also, once banned material is in the country, can people be arrested for possessing it? It isn't exactly clear precisely what the word "banned" means. Is it the sale, importation, or possession of "banned" material that is illegal? Whatever the answer, it should be made clear in the article. NoIdeaNick 12:23, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

the sale, importation, or possession of "banned" material are all illegal. If the Gardai(police) or customs come across such material they can sieze it although I'm not sure what (if any) other legal sanctions can be imposed ? 86.129.212.167 (talk) 21:08, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Censorship Body In Ireland[edit]

Does anyone know he name of the censorship body in ireland?(not for films, for books, porn etc.) or maybe perhaps have a website. I would like to complain about some illegal sites I have found.

Does anyone know any irish laws on this? For example, whils on a torrent website I went to the "Top 100" and found some cp. I would like to try and get the cp websites blocked in Ireland. I have also found some "Child Modelling" sies while researching. I know this is off topic but they are clothed girls in explicit postures.

Does the Irish government block such sites ("legal", child modelling or otherwise) and is there a place i can report these to to be blocked? (derryquinn:no account) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.16.156.221 (talk • contribs) 15:04, April 9, 2008)

The censorship of publications board and The Film censors office are the two organisations 213.40.112.15 (talk) 17:12, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Broadcasting[edit]

The article could do with more about censorship in relation to Irish television (Other than Section 31/terrorism issues).

The film censorship legislation didnt appear to cover television. In theory it would have been possible for the Film censors office to ban a film from cinema/video release and for it to subsequently appear on Irish television although there are no known instances of this occuring as RTE seem to operate a certain degree of self censorship. Until a few years ago RTE didnt have an age rating system and television viewers had no easy way of knowing (other than a guess based on the time a film was scheduled for broadcast at) what "official" age rating had been given to a film. While it was generally understood that programming deemed unsutable for children wasnt broadcast in early evening peak time contrary to popular misconception the UK "9pm watershed" didnt apply in Ireland. To their credit RTE rarely (if ever) engaged in the practice (popular on UK channels -particularly ITV) of "cutting" films due to their content. They either showed a film in its entirety or didnt show it at all. UK television was widely available in many parts of Ireland and occasionally carried programming that would never be seen on RTE. On one occasion the govenment ordered Cable TV companies not to carry a programme about abortion which was being shown on one of the UK channels. (Of course there was nothing to stop those who could recieve UK television on their aerials watching) but such measures were extremely rare.

Regarding "section 31" there were a number of attempts to circumvent the ban by setting up illegal radio stations however such attempts were shortlived and suprisingly rare. Most/all of Irelands many "commercial" pirate radio stations (even those where the owners had "political sympathies") observed the ban as it was felt that to do otherwise would attract unwanted attention from the authorities. On the otherhand while a handful of these stations refused to play music which had been "banned" by RTE and/or the BBC most of them reacted by giving heavy airplay to such recordings. 213.40.111.40 (talk) 20:36, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On one occasion the govenment ordered Cable TV companies not to carry a programme about abortion which was being shown on one of the UK channels.
Don't know where you got that from but the Government didn't do that even for items that would have breached Section 31 on RTE. That was only done for a programme once on foot of a court order and even then it wasn't for the reason you mention .Garda40 (talk) 05:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So tell us more ? 2.216.13.220 (talk) 10:46, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fantasia[edit]

Query on this quote:

...including Monty Python's Life of Brian, Fantasia, From Dusk Till Dawn and A Clockwork Orange. A review in 2000 has meant that many of these have since been un-banned and rated anywhere from PG to 18. During that review process it was decided that no more films would be banned for either theatre or video release, but some bans are still in place.

Fantasia rather stands out in this group. Does anyone have any idea why it was banned (assuming this is an accurate statement of course)? It seems odd that it would have been. Also, the date of 2000 is a little misleading. Life of Brian was only banned for eight years after its release and I have vivid memories of watching Fantasia on video as a small child in Ireland in the early 1990s. ANB (talk) 11:59, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


blasphemy Law[edit]

Hasn't been signed into law yet but will likely need to update the article to take this into account.©Geni 03:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/jul/09/ireland-blasphemy-laws

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/07/20/f-ireland-blasphemy-law.html


©Geni 03:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dreadful news. Yes, it needs to be included in the article.--Sum (talk) 14:34, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Music videos[edit]

This article states that music videos must be classified in the UK. However, the article on the BBFC, and also this page: http://www.lovefilm.com/features/detail.html?section_name=interview&editorial_id=2599 (an interview with someone from the BBFC), states that music videos are exempt from classification (as in Ireland). Is this an error, or is there some source for the statement? --LlwynogCymru (talk) 22:51, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No film censorship in Irish film clubs for decades[edit]

Private film clubs have been screening uncensored films in Ireland for decades. The Irish Film Theatre at Earlsfort Terrace, Dublin showed uncut, transgressive, arthouse cinema from 1977 until it closed in May 1984. This liberal screening policy was resumed in 1992 with the opening of the Irish Film Centre (now the Irish Film Institute), on Eustace Street, Dublin.

The programme policy was so liberal in the 1970s at the original Irish Film Theatre that I saw Pier Paolo Pasolini's outrageous film, Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom, entirely uncut there. In contrast, when I went to see the film again at the famously liberal art and porn Scala Cinema in the sordid King's Cross district in London nearly ten years later, in 1987, the print shown there had the harder scenes cut out of it. --O'Dea (talk) 09:07, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That is certainly true and needs mentioning.Red Hurley (talk) 06:57, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Also true of A Clockwork Orange (film) - ClemMcGann (talk) 09:06, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction tag, 2009[edit]

The contradiction tag, that has been collecting dust since May-2009, has just been removed. It did not specify the supposed contradiction. If tag is replaced, please specify contradiction if it is beyond your ability, or it is simply none of your concern, to fix the problems you tag. Gwillhickers (talk) 19:44, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

State visits and flyposting[edit]

While flyposting is a form of expression, it is also subject to planning laws passed by democratically-elected bodies, and is not just banned because of its content but because of its generally messy appearance. Mentioning only the queen's visit in May 2011 is POV, as the city ban extended to cover Obama's visit a few days later. We can expect more such temporary bans during future state visits, but they come way down the list of types of censorship compared to (say) a permanent ban on a book covering the whole state.Red Hurley (talk) 09:38, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Historical inaccuracy of Censorship of Books section[edit]

This section is largely inaccurate. I know the answer will be 'fix it yourself' but I have neither the time nor the ability to do this. (If you look at the the history of my attempts to add this section, you'll agree I am not very good at this). --86.42.245.132 (talk) 12:11, 22 July 2011 (UTC)If anyone is watching this page and would like to correct the section, they might consult Michael Adams, Censorship: the Irish experience and Peter Martin, Censorship in the two irelands. Firstly, the minutes of the Censorship board do not survive. It is impossible to say with certainty why any book was banned. Books were banned under one of two headings set out in the Censorship of Publications Act, 1929; either for being 'in general tendency indecent or obscene' or for 'advocating contraception or abortion'. Rumours abound as to why The Tailor and Anstey, for example, was banned, but we can know no more than that it eas considered 'in general tendency indecent or obscene'. Likewise, there is no evidence to support - or contradict - the argument that the Index was used as a guide by members of the Censorship board. However, it is highly unlikely: as even a glance at the (linked) Wikipedia article on the Index shows, this prohibited books deemed to be detrimental to faith and morals, not books dealing with sexuality. The Irish censors were not that bothered about faith and morals - indeed they appear not to have banned any book on the Index, although I am open to correction on this point.[reply]

I have made a number of changes to this section, added references and lists of books and authors affected, and would appreciate feedback. Hohenloh + 15:02, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm the OP and am glad to give feedback. I think you have done a great job in improving this section. One thing I would be critical of - perhaps not required - is that while the quotation from DeV is a very good one, you need to remember that many politicians made similar statements and there is no reason to believe that they were influential. A section on 'quotes from Irish politicians supporting censorship' would put pressure on the servers. However, this is a minor quibble from someone who is surprised to have found their comment taken seriously. The section is really better now and it is really rewarding to know that editors are interested in anonymous comments. --86.44.131.161 (talk) 16:45, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the first two sentences of this section. The claim that the Censorship of Publications Board was established in 1929 is not only untrue, it is contradicted by the following claim that the legislation was passed in 1929. The matter of the "Index" is discussed above.--137.43.144.131 (talk) 14:10, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good man (or woman). That edit slipped in unbemerkt. Hohenloh + 22:55, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Iris Oifigiúil[edit]

The Censorship of publications act requires the board to publish its decisions in Iris Oifigiúil the Irish state gazette. Bizarrely their lists include the names and addresses (mostly abroad) of the publishers of the materials in question. This could have the unintended consequence of alerting people as to where they might to be able to obtain (in instances where the publishers offer a mail order service) the publications they are attempting to suppress ! 2.216.13.220 (talk) 13:17, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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