Talk:Censorship of music
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- 1 Ideas for expansion
- 2 serious analysis
- 3 Beethoven not played in Israel?
- 4 The examples
- 5 Internet-Only songs
- 6 Censorship in Rap section
- 7 marilyn manson edit
- 8 Censorship bleep frequency
- 9 confusing sentence fragment removed
- 10 Cleanup
- 11 Application of Censorship
- 12 Seriously?
- 13 Misleading?
- 14 History
- 15 Teardrops on My Guitar by Taylor Swift
- 16 Corporation censorship
- 17 Removal of swear words
Ideas for expansion
- Prominent examples and reasons
- Marilyn Manson and the after-effects of the Columbine High School massacre
Frankie Goes to Hollywood - Relax(Done--Squiquifox 16:42, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC))
- Cliff Richard on some radio stations
- Eamon and Frankee
- The Prodigy - Smack My Bitch Up
- Je t'aime, moi non plus by Serge Gainsbourg
- Videos such as Electric Six's Gay Bar, The Cardigans' Erase & Rewind
- Songs released in some countries but not others
- Tipper Gore and the censorship movement she led
- Yesterday and Today, Beatles album cover.
- The people that decide what is acceptable and what is not (covered partly by, for example, censorship in the United Kingdom)
- Words/phrases/etc censored by some and not by others (MTV vs. other music channels, for example)
- On the off-chance that someone will actually improve this article after nearly 10 years.... It absurdly fails to mention the obscenity prosecutions related to records by Dead Kennedys and 2 Live Crew, nor the infamous Body Count "Cop Killer" controversy that saw the song removed from subsequent pressings. All of which can be read about in detail on this site... Jtcarpet (talk) 02:04, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
How about mentioning the ban on 150 songs on most of the radiostations in the US after 9/11? I remember when they actually took songs off the air for inappropriate lyrics, such as AC/DC's "Safe in New York City", Saliva's "Click Click Boom" and the like. KNewman 03:02, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)
Actually, that 150 song list is not an official ban. The list was a suggested list, the songs were never officially removed from playlists by fiat of corporate censorship. Also, the list mostly came from an overzealous employee who sent it around, and it grew little by little until it included songs like "Brain Stew" by greenday, and "Burning Down The House" by Talking Heads (oddly, I don't think "Psycho Killer" was banned). If anyone knows the name of it - their was one Bob Dylan single in the 60s that radio stations wouldn't play because of the word shit - and how could you guys forget about backmasking in the ways of cencorship. I'm sure you've heard songs on the radio where the guy can't give a 'kuf' or is sick of this 'ish.' An example would be the radio edit of Sum 41's Fat Lip. THollan (t)
- I think the song list is still worth mentioning as "suggested censorship". I came up with the word censorship methods off of the top of my head, and so thanks for adding in backmasking. violet/riga (t) 21:23, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Bob Dylans song with shit in the lyrics was called "George Jackson" and *"Je T'Aime...Moi Non Plus' --- is by (Serge Gainsbourg) a good link would be http://ericnuzum.com/banned/ and http://www.tabootunes.com/ The Primo (t) 16:47, 22 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I know the song I'm going to reference doesn't have a censored version, but I think it's worth mentioning: in the second line of the second stanza of "Everybody's changing" by the band Keane, I often mishear the line "and I can see the pain in your EYES" as "and I can see the pain in your ASS" --Marce 19:23, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
With all due respect to the freedom of speech, etc. the page as it stands seems to be a mere vehicle for pop groups to blow their own trumpets (well, the trumpets played by the session musicians hired by the recording companies). Wiki is not just another space in which to advertise one's wares.
Censorship in music goes back to Confucius, Plato and Aristotles. Maybe we could give some more background information, and the implications of censorship, to what is a serious matter and perhaps relegate specific cases to a sub-section of examples (throughout the ages - not just stuff from the age of freedom opened up by the punks).22.214.171.124 11:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- And also with all due respect, I would like to ask why infoboxes for musicians or bands have the word "ACTS" in the field "Related ACTS" instead of "Related SINGERS" or "Related BANDS", does Wikipedia think musicians/bands are the same as theatre/theater/movie/television actors? No. MUSICIANS ARE MUSICIANS, NOT ACTORS, SO WE SHOULDN'T CALL THEM OR THEIR BANDS "ACTS".An alternative would be to use the neutral "Related PERFORMERS", but, again, this may suggest musicians/bands are the same as theatre/theater/movie/television actors. --Marce 22:33, 28 October 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fandelasketchup (talk • contribs)
Beethoven not played in Israel?
Are there any sources that say that Beethoven was not played in Israel because of supposed "Nazi connections"? 126.96.36.199 06:35, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Need sources that call it censorship. There is also a vague area where private decision not to play music is being called censorship. For example, If I choose not to have a particular artist in my collection, or simply choose not to listen to it that day, it is not censorhip.Some for of authority would generally have to be excercised. --Tbeatty 06:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- This article is in general very poorly cited. One example: Tom Petty's "You Don't Know How It Feels" was censored, at least in much of the US and most infamously in the MTV airings of the video, by reversing the word "joint." I've never heard "'hit' another joint," only the reversed and uncensored versions. I've fixed it (with cite to an official MTV site with the censored version) but from looking around the Interwebs it seems like this is now an urban myth that has gained a lot of steam. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 02:20, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Some songs are so offensive they are only released on the Internet but never onto a CD, such as Blink-182's "I Wanna Fuck A Dog In The Ass" and "When You Fuck Grandpa." MotherFerginPrincess (talk) 14:07, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Both of those songs were released on CD though. "Fuck a Dog" and "Grandpa is an Asshole" were both released on their 2001 album Take Off Your Pants and Jacket. Blink-182 has no internet only songs as of now.
Censorship in Rap section
It strikes me as though the "Censorship in Rap" section doesn't belong because it fails to represent a worldwide view of the subject (refers only to France) and is not encyclopedic (promotes a political stance on censorship of rap in France, using phrases like "censorship should not come from the French government" and "artists must realize"). Even with citations, political opinions do not befit Wikipedia, so I'm again removing this section. If you disagree, discuss it instead of simply undoing the change. MssngrDeath (talk) 15:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
marilyn manson edit
why everyone is so simple,i dont know.another thing i dont know is how many times i will have to say,MARILYN MANSON IS NOT JUST THE SINGER,IT IS A BAND.just because the singer and band share the same name,people assume he's solo.its stupid.so i moved them to the bands list instead of artist. owned sorry for the anger,but its annoying —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 00:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Censorship bleep frequency
What frequency are those beeps normally? This sample seems to put it at 1kHz. Is that right? Is there a standard frequency for the tone that the FCC uses in the USA? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 19:21, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
confusing sentence fragment removed
"The lyrics "her boyfriend's a dick" with the word dick being omitted from the radio version of the song." What song? This sentence doesn't appear to be referring to anything, and technically isn't even a true sentence. Deleted unless someone knows what song it was referring to and can include the information as a SENTENCE, not a SENTENCE FRAGMENT. Cheers! 18.104.22.168 (talk) 09:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)Rob
Attempted some cleanup, more is needed though. My thoughts;
- The list of examples below Airplay censorship is very large.
- Maybe a difference should be made between vulgar words (fuck, dick, asshole, etc.) and politically incorrect words (gun, kill, drugs, etc.) as the rest of the article also discusses different kinds of censorship.
- In some examples of songs the album which it came from was mentioned, I removed these references to maintain consistency.
- It is "a European" see http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/591/01/ (or Google "a European" vs "an European" though that is not technically proof ^_^).
- The Censorship of artwork section is too small and doesn't really belong here IMHO because it's not about music, but about artwork related to music.
Edit: the artists section is unnecessary; the examples of airplay censorship already mention the artists involved and the ones that have to do with authorities should be mentioned in the Political censorship section. S!lver NL (talk) 08:50, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Application of Censorship
In many European countries, espcially in Germany, there is mostly no censorship (except of nazi stuff) in music and TV. it's possible to say swearwords (English or German). Saemikneu (talk) 14:18, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't know how this article can be expected to be taken seriously when you leave out earlier attempts to ban songs from the radio.
"They're Coming To Take Me Away - Ha Ha." by Napoleon Bonaparte XV was a song that 1960's AM radio banned.
In the section about Political censorship, it leads with "Although not common in most democratic societies, more authoritarian governments censor music deemed critical of the government, the military, stores, TV stations, or other authorities." It then cites as an example "The line in Eminem's song Mosh off of Encore "Strap Bush with an AK-47, let him go fight his own war, let him impress daddy that way" the words "Bush" and "AK-47" were censored...", implying that the United States government or George W. Bush censored the song. Is this the case? If so, it should be made much more clear that the G. W. Bush regime engaged in authoritarian censorship. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 04:06, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
This article seems to be about popular music only -- maybe it should be renamed "censorship of popular music"? Is that the intent of any of the contributors, or shall we expand the scope? There was music before 1940, and in places other than the United States, and plenty of censorship. Polyphonic music based on secular songs was occasionally censored in Italy in the 16th century. Beethoven's Fidelio collided with the Imperial censor, and Verdi's experience was worse. And obviously the Nazis prohibited performances of music by Jewish composers, as well as all others considered "degenerate". A big section needs to be written, if the current title is to be retained (might be a fun job, and it is a huge topic). Antandrus (talk) 00:13, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
- As a brief followup, I'm looking to see if I can find some decent sources for an expansion backwards in time, and into other genres than just popular music. For example, censorship of music in the Soviet Union was a huge deal. Exactly how we define "censorship" is quite important -- Louis Bourgeois spent time in a Geneva jail in 1551 for writing some new music to psalms without a license, and what he did was burned -- Calvinists didn't like music much -- but is that censorship? Antandrus (talk) 01:08, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Teardrops on My Guitar by Taylor Swift
The song "Teardrops on My Guitar" by Taylor Swift should be added to the list of censored songs because it has two versions: one where the second verse contains the line "I laugh 'cause he's so damn funny" and the other which replaces the D-word with "I laugh 'cause he's just so funny".--Fandelasketchup (talk) 13:28, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
If a corporation hides or blocks a song or a music video from the Internet because of some people are from the wrong country, isn't that also a form of censorship? Jørgen88 (talk) 13:37, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Removal of swear words
We're having a little issue in the article where a couple of similar IP addresses have taken out naughty words and replaced them with asterisks, to the point that it isn't really possible to tell what the original words were. In this context, I think it's fine to leave the original words in the article. I think this would support the concept of WP:NOTCENSORED, but I don't want to edit war. Thoughts? EricEnfermero HOWDY! 01:22, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- I think this is getting to the point where the IP's are vandalizing this and other articles, so reverting them is all right. It's extremely difficult to discuss anything with dynamic IP's, obviously, and I've had no response to my attempts to do so. Perhaps because the user has never seen them. I hope they'll decide to create an account and take ownership of their edits, so it becomes possible to have a discussion with them. Hopefully it won't have to go so far as to semiprotection of a whole range of, uh, outspoken articles. (Speaking as an admin, EricEnfermero, you can blame me if somebody should accuse you of edit warring.) Bishonen | talk 20:05, 6 August 2014 (UTC).