Talk:Cessationism

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The article is splitted[edit]

Because of the length of the article, the article is splitted. The part dealing with the main issues in the dispute is moved to the WP article Cessationism versus Continuationism. The former article "Cessation-continuation debate" is moved to the new formed WP page Cessationism versus Continuationism. Theophilius (talk) 16:42, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Catholicism[edit]

Catholicism or Orthodoxy are not mentioned once in the article, albeit they are whence the view derives, and have a numerical strong majority of all Christians alive (1.2 billion Catholics, 350 million Orthodox, 750 million Protestants). All of the traditional communions and denominations - Catholic, Orthodox, Reformed/Calvinist, Anglican, and Lutheran - hold to a view of cessationism, yet none of those except for the Calvinists are mentioned herein. The article is written from a solely Protestant perspective, liberally sprinkled with and based on the doctrine of sola scriptura (as opposed to the Catholic/Orthodox/Anglican prima scriptura), as if sola scriptura was the only way to derive a view of cessationism. Needs a major rewrite from the bottom up. JohnChrysostom (talk) 12:59, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

I think that the article does not need "a major rewrite from the bottom up", but only additional sections that would provide an account of cessationism not based upon Sola Scriptura. The article would be richer if there is additional sections providing cessationist perpsectives from Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians. I think that the problem with the article is not its neutrality, but completeness. I have, therefore, removed POV-template and replaced it with missing-information-template. Theophilius (talk) 02:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
I have also changed the 1st heading, so that the reader is informed that the account of types of cessationism is within Protestantism. Theophilius (talk) 03:00, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I fail to see that there is an articulated formulation of cessationism in Catholic and Orthodox traditions. Moreover, both Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches are nowadays open for the occurences of charismatic gifts, such as the gift of healing, miracles, visions among the saints. I think that Cessationism never made much sense to Catholic or Orthodox Christians who continued to expect the saints to work miracles. We do see that among Roman Catholics there is a strong Charismatic movement, and certain Eastern Orthodox theologians are proContinuitionists (see Charismatic Movement in Eastern Orthodox Church, Orthodoxy and the Charismatic Movement, Charismatic Movement in Roman Catholic Church, Catholic Charismatic Renewal).

In Early Church, there were present both Cessationist and Continuationist groups. Therefore, historical arguments pro contra charismatic gifts are not conclusive. During Reformation, John Calvin turned the cessationist polemic against Roman Catholicism and the radical reformation, undercutting their claims to religious authority they based on miracles and revelations (see Benjamin Warfield’s Counterfeit Miracles). Calvin popularized the restriction of miracles to the accreditation of the apostles and specifically to their gospel, though he was less rigid about cessationism than most of his followers.

In the section Historical Evidence, there is a list of Cessationist explanations about why gifts of the Holy Spirit ceased. Those explanation are not based upon Sola Scriptura. Thus, we see, that the article covers all forms of Cessationism. Therefore, I have removed the missing-information-template. Theophilius (talk) 16:02, 30 March 2012 (UTC)