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Extinct?[edit]

What are the (presumably not extinct?) "discrete languages" mentioned, and are they distinct enough to create a language barrier to the people involved? -- WormRunner

A long time ago I asked for a source for the statement that the last speaker died in the 1990s, and none has been provided. I cannot believe that there were still native speakers of classical Chagatay in the twentieth century: might it be a reference to Teke Turkmen, also sometimes known as "Chagatay"? I am therefore going to delete this statement. If anyone finds a source, they can reinstate it. --Sir Myles na Gopaleen (the da) (talk) 16:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Family[edit]

of course it's mongolian language. Tsagaadai(old version Chagatai) was a Mongolian. in hystory of Mongolia at that time wasnt anyword turk. all ethnic groups had their names , but not still turk. turk was 1 time after huns there & go way to west after fight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.182.44.231 (talk) 23:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't matter who was what. This is about the language itself, and what matters there is what the language itself was like. This one was like Turkish, not Mongolian. 83.253.228.202 (talk) 01:38, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Chagatai and Chagatay[edit]

What is the distinction (is there as distinction?) between Chagatai and Chagatay? I see that the latter appears to include the former in the Karluk branch of the Turkic language family according to the Infobox. TonySever (talk) 17:01, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Chagatai dictionaries and manuscript[edit]

Chagatai-French Dictionaries

Dictionnaire turk-oriental By Abel Jean B.M.M. Pavet de Courteille

https://archive.org/details/dictionnairetur00courgoog

http://books.google.com/books?id=Zt8GAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://archive.org/details/dictionnairetur01courgoog

http://books.google.com/books?id=d6UCAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://archive.org/details/dictionnairetur02courgoog

http://books.google.com/books?id=wamJAF5x50UC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

Name of uyghur language debate during the 19th century[edit]

See Uyghur_people#Origin_of_modern_nationality and Uyghur_language#History for context over the naming debate. The Uyghur themselves did not call themselves nor their language as "Uyghur", but some foreign European and Russians applied the "Uyghur" name to them in the 19th century, and in the 20th century the Soviet Union managed to impose the name "Uyghur" and get the Uyghurs themselves to use the name for their language and ethnic group through their puppet Sheng Shicai. The modern Uyghur language is descended from Chagatai language.

http://books.google.com/books?id=oWj9NreO9zYC&pg=PA172#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=oWj9NreO9zYC&pg=PA173#v=onepage&q&f=false

A sketch of the Turki language by Robert Shaw

In the Turkish of Kashghar and Yarkand (which some European linguists have called Uighur, a name unknown to the inhabitants of those towns, who know their tongue simply as Turki), we can obtain a glimpse backwards at a state of the language when the noun (which in Western Turkish is almost inflected) was but a rude block, labelled if necessary by attaching other nouns, &c, to show its relation to the...

http://books.google.com/books?id=dw7gAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA2#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=Vj1bAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA2#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=ZT1bAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA2#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=oWj9NreO9zYC&pg=PA9#v=onepage&q&f=false

Chagatai manuscript[edit]

https://archive.org/details/mirdjnmehpublip00navogoog

http://books.google.com/books?id=gr0MSY32LOwC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://archive.org/details/SharahAlAqeedaAlKhalisaciatayTurkish

06:44, 8 February 2014 (UTC)