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- 1 Merge from Electric vehicle network
- 2 OK, what have we got here
- 3 Technical issues
- 4 resource WSJ
- 5 Wrong info at Charging time.
- 6 Lists of EV Charging Station Appliances
- 7 Problem with existing "Designers" section
- 8 Charge points - not related to EVs
- 9 Excessive Lead section
- 10 "battery-switching" VS "Battery swapping"
- 11 New structure
Merge from Electric vehicle network
The Electric vehicle network lists many installations by Better Place and Coulomb Technologies' ChargePoint, however, this article has more technical information. Merging the two articles would provide readers a more complete picture. —sn‾uǝɹɹɐʍɯ (talk) 09:19, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
- I reversed the direction of the merge as the geographic distribution of the electric vehicle networks is discussed in more detail in the electric vehicle network article. This article, charging station, will presumably focus more on the charging stations themselves. sn‾uǝɹɹɐʍɯ (talk) 23:26, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
OK, what have we got here
I just stumbled across this article this evening, and went once through it. Much of what I wanted to say, I put into the edit summaries. There's a lot more to do here. First we need to decide what is this article going to be about.
- "Charging station" has quickly become the term for the box that recharges the car, so that's what this should focus on. The box may be at home, or elsewhere. This article should mention the connector standards and the Level I/II/III hierarchy (my big worry is there might be other articles covering these). It would be great if it started with a picture of the charging station, the cable, and the car.
I suggest it is mainly about recharging electric cars, but it strays into compressed air and hydrogen power once or twice. If those two are 'in scope', they need to be introduced and allowed for throughout, or given a specific section called 'Alternatives to electricity' or something like that.
Secondly, are we talking about municipal, on-street or in-car-park charging that may be subsidised or free; or commercial, hotel, work-place and shopping centre ventures? Or is it what existing filling stations will do when no-one wants petrol any more? Or is it out on the trans-continental highways? Or is it charging your commuter at home? I think all of the above and more, but we need a plan and we need to cover these things in some kind of pattern, not randomly - remembering one or two of them here and forgetting them again there.
What about electric commercial vehicles? Electric bicycles and electric motor bikes?
Are we talking about the future, or the present? Some of this is happening, but much of it is hardly even invented yet. Some of it is easy to understand, but the press releases make it sound like super-advanced rocket science while the wise-guys try to create some corporate funding for old tech. Just about all commercial EVs on the road use lead-acid so this cannot be written off as out of date. Things like pumped electrolyte are way in the future, the realistic short term includes lithium technologies probably. This needs organising and covering in some kind of logical way.
- I'm working on it. The articles about two of the charging standards SAE J1772 and CHAdeMO are getting into shape. Merging deployment to Electric vehicle network is a lot of work. -- Skierpage (talk) 22:58, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I am thinking of posting a photo I took of a large public charging station that was installed at the Department of Energy's Pacific Northwest National Laboratory in Richland WA. Not only are there EV charging stations, but they are powered by a 120kW Solar Array. Would this be a photo that would be welcome on this page? If I hear nothing, I will go ahead and post it. BTW, this is my first time editing Wikipedia, so I may be making a fatal mistake... correct me if I am wrong, please! Ikelewis678 (talk) 14:53, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Circutor defines: 
- semi-fast (aka simple fast) as 230V/III (three phase), 7,2 kW, 63A
- ultrafast: 400V/III, 42 kW, 63A.
Charging Stations Multiply But Electric Cars Are Few by JAMES R. HAGERTY And MIKE RAMSEY October 17, 2011 126.96.36.199 (talk) 21:24, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Wrong info at Charging time.
The Table seen at Charging_station#Charging_time is flat out wrong, or at least misleading/incomplete. There are 240 volt Charging Stations that can supply more than ~32 Amps. The catch is that SOME vehicle's internal charger can not take more than 32 Amps. This may not always be the case. There could very well be vehicles out there now that can take more than 32 Amps at 240 volts. The chart needs fixing, or at least clarification.
Lists of EV Charging Station Appliances
BTW, I should also mention that in the near future I hope to make a separate article that is just two lists of the charging stations themselves. If you want to see the EARLY stages of this page, go to my sandbox at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:LP-mn/Sandbox#Lists_of_EV_Charging_Station_Appliances.
LP-mn (talk) 16:36, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
I am trying to add a new company name (Andromeda Power) to this list of manufacturer section, however this has been removed. I understand the concern that Wikipedia cannot list advertisement links, nevertheless this specific section IS a list of external links. Therefore I don't understand the reason why the link to Andromeda has been removed (twice). Giubbolini (talk) 07:44, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Problem with existing "Designers" section
I'm either confused by, or "have a beef with" the below three sections (I can't decide which):
- List of EV Charging Station Designers
- Slow Charge
- Fast & Slow Charge
I _HOPE_ that this should be corrected to "Level 1", "Level 2" (and "Level 3" when available). If this is not what it's supposed to read, then I don't follow the meaning of these sections.
LP-mn (talk) 16:38, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Charging station currently unequivocally points here. There are "charge points" for phones and portable electronics littered through modern airports - and conference centers nowadays. Not a massively interesting topic, but they do exist. For purposes of encyclopedia, i think a separate topic should be created. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Savuporo (talk • contribs) 04:51, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing that out. I removed some more spam links. Cheers! Jim1138 (talk) 07:49, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Excessive Lead section
The Lead section was too long, so I have created a new section under "Overview", as there is enough content on the topic of the status of charging stations globally.--Soulparadox (talk) 21:32, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
"battery-switching" VS "Battery swapping"
What is the correct naming? Is one of both a trademark and the other one the generic term?
Unfortunately I couldn't find any information online :-( I guess there is a wikipedia guidline how to handle different names for one thing. Currently the article Better Place uses "battery-switching" and Battery_swapping#Battery_swapping uses "Battery swapping".
At the moment I think this article is a bit of a mess. I say that to invite someone to disagree, otherwise I'll probably have a shot at restructuring. In doing so, I'll attempt not to delete or add any information besides introductory paragraphs/overviews - since I won't want to do anything contentious on the content itself. Of course if for some reason time has passed and while no-one has disagreed, I also haven't done it - it would be great if someone could.
My preliminary thoughts are that a novice reader won't know where to start - and getting an answer "what should I be looking for if I'm going to get an EV" is not easy to answer. "What the hell is J1772, CCS, Chademo, AEC...."... we don't answer that well here. I would think that we could reposition the article to focus on charging in 3 ways - residential (how do I charge in my home), commercial (2-8 hours charge-while-parked - at work, malls, parking stations, caravan parks), and fast charging (ideally a 30minute "refuelling alternative" - CCS, Chademo, Tesla Superchargers). Actually probably add CARBS newest "200 miles in 15 minutes" as an unmet goal, but put battery swap in that section.
Then other issues are either subsets of those chargers, or a section on "related issues". Renewable energy, smart grid communication.
There are problems with my breakdown though. Many public charging stations are actually quite slow (as the speed of charging is growing very quickly). Today's "fast charger" is tomorrow's slow charger. A bunch of charging stations in Sydney show 6.7kW - charge 2 hours for 40 miles of range - but they don't fall into "charge while parked" definitions. And yet some sweeping statements are needed to contextualise everything.