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Girlfriend[edit]

Charice was also confronted y Showbiz News Inside report which said her rumored girlfriend was a girl from X Factor Philippines which she had met as a friend in a young age she stated "she's my everything" but it is not confirmed they are in a relationship Huklpop15 (talk) 00:13, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Needs a new profile picture.[edit]

Charice has changed drastically since 2010. I don't think its right to keep on using those images of herself 2-3 years ago. Page should be accurate. Masterpeace3 (talk) 00:58, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

As long as there are no free images available, this one is here to stay. If you do have a free image (meaning, not copyrighted and it can uploaded under the Creative Commons license i.e. taken by you or taken by someone else and you have permission), feel free to upload it to Commons. Thank you. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 11:40, 30 November 2013 (UTC)


Requested move 2 (2 December 2013)[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus. To address some of the discussion below, previous discussions at WT:RM have loosely decided that anyone can relist. Personally, I think it's best left to neutral editors, however (admins or otherwise). --BDD (talk) 23:29, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Charice PempengcoCharice – Stage name --Relisted. EdJohnston (talk) 20:27, 11 December 2013 (UTC)Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 06:23, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

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Discussion[edit]

Any additional comments:
  • I added back the "Pempengco" because the prior consensus in 2009 discussion opposed scrapping out "Pempengco". No one noticed that the consensus was violated twice. So move-protection was enabled. --George Ho (talk) 06:30, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Comment I was not aware of that discussion, which is why I just moved it. Instead of immediately requesting indefinite move protection you should have posted a message on my talk page pointing to the previous consensus. Anyways, "Charice" is pasted in freaking huge letters on her official website, she uses twitter as Charice, she releases music as Charice, her fansite, more, more, more, more and more. Furthermore, the links given in the previous rm like imdb and MySpace now all use the name "Charice". Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 08:37, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't sure that whether you will or will not do it again. Still, protection is the best bet, and unawareness of the prior discussion is no excuse for moving it deliberately. --George Ho (talk) 21:29, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Being bold and just moving the article is actually quite common on Wikipedia. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 05:08, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Umm... what do you mean? I don't get your general comment about "being bold" and your omitting the "be careful" part, which is what the guideline says. Oh, protection is needed to also prevent other people from moving it again and violating the consensus. It was moved a year ago by a different person without notice or discussion, so it was recently moved back. --George Ho (talk) 05:15, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Being bold as in it would have been perfectly fine to just move the article without discussion if there was lack of a previous one. I did not know about that rm discussion prior to the move, which is why I just moved it. Now, we are not here to discuss each other's behavior so please just drop it.Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 05:39, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

As for the sources you provided, why user-generated and fan-generated websites? ITunes, Last.fm, and Discogs use Pempengco, though one used it in prose, while the rest use it as birth name. There are sources using her full name: PhilStar, Manila Standard Today, Inquirer, Asianweek, CanIndia. And there are books, like this one. George Ho (talk) 06:00, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Of course, the biography states her last name but everything is listed as "Charice" (how is itunes user-generated btw). Madonna also says Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone but should her article be at Madonna Ciccone? As for your first three sources, that's in the Philippines. She was initially known there with her last name. But as she starred on Oprah and started releasing more music, she started using Charice as her stage name. Billboard magazine states her last name separately in brackets. Also here, here and here Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 06:45, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
There is Charice, but the book is referring to the "security guard" in Harlem, New York. In other words, probably African-American. I can't find Pempengco, but I can't find the girl's surname either. Nevertheless, when reading it, there's no mention about Charice the singer, nor is there a "singer". Another book doesn't mention the Filipina singer. If you can skip Billboard mags, I guess that Charice is ambiguous name when searching in Google Books. Here's the 2009 book referring to Pempengco, but that's old. More recent ones: [1][2][3][4], and 2013 books: [5][6]. George Ho (talk) 07:15, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
What is link 2 supposed to be? A diary? "Charice" might be ambigious, but there is nobody else of that specific name covered on wikipedia so she is the primary and only topic here. If you just take a look at all her releases, she uses "Charice" as her stage name everywhere. Why are you ignoring all the major sources I gave stating her use of "Charice" as a stage name and bombarding me with Google Books? Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 09:55, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Ray, Oprah and Billboard that you gave me are reliable. Unsure about Last.Fm and Discogs, but the rest you gave me are unreliable, like IMDB. Of course, "Charice" is used. Official releases are not the only ones. Is either name more commonly used by reliable sources? George Ho (talk) 10:26, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
What about her official website? Her twitter account is a confirmed account. iTunes certainly is reliable. iMDB can be partially reliable as it is not like Wikipedia where a user just edits the page, the edit has to be confirmed by staff first. Discogs works similar. She is commonly credited as simply Charice like for example on Glee, where she guest-starred for three episodes, only "Charice" appears during the opening credits. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 12:59, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
For now they are active. But they won't last that long; I might give them 40 years for activity. As for credits, that's Glee for you. Here's the broken imdb link: [7]. Checking the credits, they omit Pempengco recently. George Ho (talk) 03:45, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
40 years of activity for what? Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 04:23, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
I meant to say that official sources may last for 10 or 40 years, depending on how active a source is. George Ho (talk) 09:09, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
The internet hasn't existed for 40 years yet. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 11:45, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

WP:INVOLVED redirects to WP:administrators, and there is WP:RMCI#Relisting. Try contacting WP:WPBIO first. George Ho (talk) 19:58, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Is there a reason in particular why relisting is limited to admins? Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 05:18, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Found WP:RMCI#Conflicts of interest. George Ho (talk) 05:28, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
What does that have to do with relisting? As far as I know relisting≠closing. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 05:58, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
The instruction says that relisting "is optional and up to the closer." Well, since you are not qualified a "closer" for this discussion, you can ask an administrator in WT:RM about whether a nominator can relist own discussion. George Ho (talk) 06:10, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Okay, but I don't get it though. Why would relisting be up to the closer and the closer alone?Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 06:36, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
The closer has to decide whether the consensus is adequate or insufficient. If insufficient, the closer can relist it. If adequate, the discussion can be closed by the closer. George Ho (talk) 06:39, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
I mean, why can't anyone just relist? Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 08:42, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
As usual, I don't see nominators relisting their own requests right now. And relisting own discussion without determining the consensus is a bad idea and probably discouraged. Since you probably disagree with opposers (or rebutted or attempted to rebut our arguments), I can't let you relist without discussing in WT:RM first. George Ho (talk) 08:58, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Okay, but I still don't see the point. I mean relisting it just puts it back to the top of the list at WP:RM Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 14:55, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── ...I prefer leaving the backlog to someone else not involved. Yes, the backlog is cloggy, but I prefer leaving this duty to uninvolved. George Ho (talk) 19:07, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.