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Former good article Charlemagne was one of the History good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Quote in "Aquitanian rebellion" section.[edit]

There's a quote there which reads:

"In those times, to build a kingdom from an aggregation of small states was itself no great difficulty .... But to keep the state intact after it had been formed was a colossal task .... Each of the minor states ... had its little sovereign ... who ... gave himself chiefly to ... plotting, pillaging and fighting."

I find all those ellipses very confounding. particularly the way that 'who' is stuck out there like that. May I suggest a fuller quote with less edited out? --bodnotbod (talk) 13:59, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Borders are lines not points.[edit]

"The border with Aquitania was Toulouse." Toulouse was and is a city. It was I believe the capital of Aquitania, as it was of the Gothic Kingdom of Toulouse. I don't know the Southern borders during Charlemagne's time; they may have been along the Garonne. Nitpyck (talk) 22:41, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Millennialism and Exhumation[edit]

I would want more than the single source but this article at Boston University both

  • details the importance of Charlemagne's AD 800 crowning within the context of a calendar system that placed that year as the 6000th since the founding of the world and of a popular belief that expected the next thousand to be a kind of Genesis-inspired 'rest'


  • mentions the exhumation of Charlemagne's grave around the AD 1000 after Bede had succeeded in changing the era; the Karlings had fallen to usurpers; and a Saxon had been crowned in Rome.

It doesn't much get into why he was exhumed or what people were expecting, though. Anyone know? — LlywelynII 06:00, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Persistent Vandalism[edit]

What is it about this page that draws so much childish vandalism? Over 90% of the edits to this page are vandalism/reverts, going back months. The vandals always use anon or sock accounts. Should the page be semi-protected? I'm not even sure how that can be requested or accomplished, but it appears warranted. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 18:28, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Support request for semi-protection. --IIIraute (talk) 02:32, 10 May 2013 (UTC)


Hard to believe this article doesn't have a "legacy" section. I wonder if this is due to the anglo-saxon frame of mind, so obvious at wp-en sometimes while pretending to represent the impartial arbiters of world history. There's no denying that Charlemagne and his empire had a lasting influence on many levels, both as political aspiration (the model of a "Christian empire") and even more culturally, but of course this in more visible in mainland Europe than in the history, education and traditions of England and its daughter nations. (talk) 23:37, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

If you have input sufficient to create a non-POV legacy section, be bold and write one. Just be sure to provide ample citations to support any claims.Wzrd1 (talk) 00:17, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


Hi, as just 'school knowlede' referring to Charlemagne, what about a section or a short reference Carolinum in the wiki? imho at least in the late European Middle Ages some educational institutions, p.e. within EN-WP as of November 2014 the Universitas Carolina Pragensis (=Charles University in Prague) and Carolinum, Zürich, haven been named after Charlemagne. Please feel free to link/mention, as not my 'focus' within Wikipedia, thx and kindly regards, Roland zh 08:23, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi, and thank you, @Yopie:-) You're right, of course, as mentioned i'm not familiar with Carolus's history, for the last time, many and seriously really many years ago in school. btw: according to DE-WP there seem to named any/many education institutions in Germany as Carolinum, that's why i supposed so, and linked Carolinum accordingly. Kindly regards, Roland zh 06:17, 19 November 2014 (UTC)