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Pallbearers[edit]

Interesting that the 8th Duke of Argyll was one of Darwin's pallbearers. In the 8th Duke's Wikipedia bio. it states that: "He was a leader in the scholarly opposition against Darwinism (1869, 1884b)" Why would he then be a pallbearer?

2.30.190.65 (talk) 17:38, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Respect. . . dave souza, talk 18:42, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

NO tutors at Christ's College, Cambridge mentioned?[edit]

b. 1799 d. Mar. 4, 1851

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Graham_(bishop) b. Feb. 23, 1794 d. Jun. 15, 1865

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Shaw_(Christ%27s_College) b. 1786 d. Jun. 1, 1859

2.30.207.233 (talk) 11:27, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

We mention both John Stevens Henslow and Adam Sedgwick, who both tutored CD while he was at Christ's. If good sources show that these others have some significance to CD's life and work, that sourced info could be added to Charles Darwin's education but it really doesn't look significant enough to go in this overview article. . dave souza, talk 12:15, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Rev. John Graham = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Graham_(bishop)

Rev. Joseph Shaw = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Shaw_(Christ%27s_College)

See above articles for 2 out of 3 Dave! These 3 tutors do deserve to be mentioned in the 'overview'! Their discovery in the records of Christ's College, Cambridge was only made last year Dave (2014).

For the record, Ash, Graham, and Shaw were Darwin's actual tutors, while Henslow and Sedgwick were not 'tutors, they were PROFESSORS Dave!

2.24.4.67 (talk) 13:39, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Rev. Edward John Ash[edit]

Can someone create a 'stub' article to which data can be added, please?

Find-a-Grave has entries for all three of Darwin's tutors!

2.30.198.63 (talk) 09:47, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Anyone can edit Wikipedia, you'll find it helps to get a user account which also gives you greater privacy as your IP address isn't displayed. . dave souza, talk 10:18, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
There is the question of whether Edward John Ash is sufficiently important in his own right to have a Wikipedia article; I don't think he is. Simply being Darwin's tutor isn't enough unless he is shown to be a major influence (and find-a-grave is definitely not evidence of importance). He had Cambridge degrees B.A. 1819, M.A. 1822; Fellow and Tutor of Christ's College; later Rector of Brisley-cum-Gateley, Norfolk, 1838 (the living was from the college); died 4 March 1851. He married in 1842 Jane Charlotte Ray 3rd daughter of Colonel Philip Ray of Eldo House (later Major General). None of this seems to show much importance. He had at least two sons, Philip James and Edward Philip. --Erp (talk) 04:17, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Charles Darwin's third tutor at Cambridge from 1830 to 1831.

"Darwin returned to Christ's on 24 February 1829. Fox was gone, he had taken his B.A. degree on 23 January, ranking 88th out of 160. Earlier in the month, Darwin's cousin Hensleigh Wedgwood was elected a Finch and Baines Fellow, but he would hold this only until October 1830. Two days after returning to his comfortable rooms, Darwin wrote Fox to report on his stay in London where he had visited entomologists F. W. Hope and James Francis Stephens. The former had generously given Darwin specimens of 160 beetle species for his collection. Darwin ordered a beetle cabinet to help house his growing collection. Darwin also reported that “By Grahams decided advice, I do not go in for my little Go.” John Graham (1794–1865) replaced Shaw as Tutor in 1829. He clearly did not think Darwin was ready to pass the examination. Shipley described Graham as “one of the most brilliant of the alumni of the College (fourth Wrangler and Chancellor's Classical Medallist in 1816), who was elected Master of the College in 1830, and was appointed to the Bishopric of Chester in 1848. Graham was one of the small group of Cambridge Liberals in the days of the first Reform Bill, and a strong supporter of the abolition of University tests. As a disciplinarian in College, he is said to have been somewhat too “easy-going” After Graham was elected Master in 1830, Darwin's Tutor was Edward John Ash (1799–1851). Darwin may well have benefited from this lack of discipline."[page 66 by John van Wyhe, 2014]

How you can 'justify' not creating a Wiki article for Ash when the other two tutors have articles is beyond me! (Sadly such a very stupid decision reflects adversely on Wikipedia and its rather odd editors! Re-consider please?) 2.30.187.248 (talk) 23:00, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Because the other two were important for other reasons. Notably one became a bishop and both were Masters of Christ's College. Ash was neither. In neither of their wikipedia biographies is their role as Darwin's tutor much discussed (one sentence mentioning it in each of their Wikipedia articles); if they weren't important for other reasons they wouldn't have articles either. --Erp (talk) 17:02, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Darwin info from another article[edit]

In the course of copy-editing the article on Edinburgh Phrenological Society, I deleted an irrelevant paragraph about Darwin. That is, it's irrelevant to the Edinburgh Phrenological Society but might be very relevant here. It contains details that are not in the current Darwin article, although there are no references. If someone were interested in splicing parts in, here it is:

Charles Darwin: In June 1838 (around the time of Queen Victoria's coronation), after months of ill health, Charles Darwin revisited Edinburgh and his undergraduate haunts some eleven years after his hurried departure. Characteristically, Darwin recorded many of his psychological speculations on this trip in his M Notebook. At the same time, he was teasing out the details of his theory of natural selection and was in some emotional conflict, entertaining the possibility of marriage to his devoutly Christian cousin, Emma Wedgwood. Interestingly, it was at this time that he committed his "gigantic blunder" concerning the parallel roads of Glen Roy. Darwin seems to have hit on the essence of natural selection in September 1838, and on 21 September he recorded a vivid and disturbing dream in which he was involved in a public execution at which the corpse came to life and claimed to have died as a hero. He married his cousin on 29 January 1839. Darwin's marriage was a success, and the domestic security with which he was provided enabled him to continue his scientific researches, culminating in the publication of the Origin of Species in 1859.

Molly-in-md (talk) 19:07, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, this looks like a bit of synthesis muddling up some accurate incidents: the place for it to be covered is Inception of Darwin's theory#Thoughts of marriage or thereabouts, while that's not got inline references it's based on Desmond & Moore which is pretty good. Hadn't seen the point about him noting phrenological psychology in the M notebook, we'd need a good secondary source for that. We don't cover the dream in which "a person was hung & came to life", van Wyhe suggests some interpretations of that are much exaggerated. Still, all very interesting and thanks for bringing it here. . dave souza, talk 21:52, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Dave, I have brought the above to the attention of 'van Wyhe' in Singapore. (Not a happy man!) 2.30.187.248 (talk) 23:14, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

A trio of knighthoods!!![edit]

"Of his surviving children, George, Francis and Horace became Fellows of the Royal Society,[164] distinguished as astronomer,[165] botanist and civil engineer, respectively.."

THIS MISSES THE POINT THAT ALL THREE OF THEM WERE KNIGHTED!

2.30.207.225 (talk) 18:32, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done YoPienso (talk) 18:51, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Funeral[edit]

"Music by Purcell and Croft was sung, as well as an anthem composed for the occasion by the Abbey's deputy organist, J. Frederick Bridge - 'Happy the man that findeth wisdom and getteth understanding'...the service ended with the choir singing Handel funeral anthem - 'His body is buried in peace, but his name liveth forever'" [Frances Spalding, 2001: "Gwen Raverat - Friends, Family & Affections".]

2.30.190.50 (talk) 17:11, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

See Darwin from Insectivorous Plants to Worms#Funeral. . . dave souza, talk 19:30, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Ehm, Mr. IP, could you stop evading your block? Your main accounts is still blocked... The Banner talk 16:45, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Request for Comments[edit]

There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.

Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:04, 21 April 2015 (UTC)