Talk:Cheese Shop sketch
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- 1 Old Discussions
- 2 Secret Policeman's version
- 3 Greek Feta? - No, not in this sketch
- 4 43 cheeses ?
- 5 No longer a fictional cheese.
- 6 Addition of reasons to Cheese List
- 7 Copyvio?
- 8 Similarity to Don Quixote
- 9 Based on a real cheese shop
- 10 Table of replies to each cheese?!
- 11 Off Their Rockers
I always heard in the original TV show that it was a dulcimer, not a bouzouki. Should this be changed to reflect that?
Okay, I need your help with this. I am considering buying a bouzouki because I like the song on this so much (yeah I'm a loser). But whenever I hear a bouzouki playing, it never sounds at all like this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Captain tiberious (talk • contribs) 17:01, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Does this really need the spoiler tag? RJFJR 20:48, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
"The Cheese Shop owner's name is actually ARTHUR, not Henry. He never actually calls himself mister, either."
- I think it varies in the different versions - there are several performances of the sketch on tv, film, record, stage etc. To be investigated - I've removed the comment from the article for now anyway. — sjorford (talk) 23:42, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
- Checked - he definitely says "Mister Wensleydale" in the original TV version, and on the Matching Tie and Handkerchief album. Possibly "Arthur" comes from one of the live albums? — sjorford (talk) 13:12, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
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Cheese Shoppe vs. Cheese Shop
I was surprised when a Wikipedia search for "Cheese Shoppe" turned up nothing. I had to Americanize (or is it Americanise?) my search to "Cheese Shop" to find this article. Shouldn't a British written sketch be spelled in the British fashion (ie. "Shoppe")?
- er, we Brits spell it "shop". Perhaps "shoppe" is used when fomeone wantf to fell fomething olde founding to touriftf. 126.96.36.199 12:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Secret Policeman's version
The version of the sketch included on the Secret Policeman's Balls film has Cleese yelling at the musician to "stop that bloody playing!", and possibly hitting him (I only have an audio recording of the sketch, so I'm uncertain). Does this variant deserve mention in the article? Kouban 14:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- The "hitting" is John Cleese stomping up and down. I think he did this more for the volume effect, as it was a live performance (and I'm sure that his colleagues weren't expecting it either). I'll also note that it's one of the versions where Michael Palin refers to himself as "Arthur Wensleydale."--WaltCip (talk) 13:58, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Greek Feta? - No, not in this sketch
I have just removed an entry of Greek feta. This does not appear in the original sketch, as can be verified by viewing it. The current list of 42 cheeses has been verified against the original in this way.Colonel Warden (talk) 07:37, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
- They've performed this more than once, with apparently different lists of cheeses. You shouldn't be too picky. - Denimadept (talk) 01:42, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
43 cheeses ?
@2:32 in the youtube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3KBuQHHKx0) he mentions a cheese wich is not listed, right between 'Bresse-bleu' and 'Camembert', something that sounds like 'Pelle de Champagne', which is not a cheese. Any idea of what it can be ? InXtremis (talk) 00:32, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Indeed, this needs to be addressed. I hear Perle de Champagne, but again, I can't find that this is a cheese (then again same problem for Savoyard and some others to a lesser extent). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 07:23, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
No longer a fictional cheese.
""Venezuelan Beaver Cheese" is fictitious but, despite this, recipes for it have since been published"
Maybe it was fictitious at one point, but if recipes for it are now available this would make it a real, and no longer imaginary, cheese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 15:23, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- Let me add that I have found no published recipes for "Venezuelan Beaver Cheese". It would be great to add a reference for at least one recipe.
Addition of reasons to Cheese List
I rather like this edit by 220.127.116.11. To clarify the addition, the phrase that introduces the list should be expanded a bit to explain the additions.
--User:4wajzkd02 (talk) 14:05, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
I wonder if the excessive quoting in the article could violate copyright? With the table that lists all the cheeses and the "reason not available," that is a very large percentage of the entire sketch. Mike R (talk) 22:36, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- It's probably fine. And it's also one of the better examples of wikipedia being ridiculously detailed. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 22:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Similarity to Don Quixote
Does anyone agree that the similarity between this sketch and the following extract from Don Quixote should be mentioned?:
Sancho asked the landlord what he had on offer. To which the landlord replied that Sancho's every word was his command, so he should go ahead and ask for whatever he fancied: the inn was stocked with birds of the air, the fowls of the ground and the fish of the sea.
'We won't be needing all that,' Sancho replied, 'and if you'll just roast a couple of chickens for us that'll be enough, because my master's a delicate man and doesn't eat a lot, and I'm not much of a greedy-guts.'
The landlord replied that chickens were off, the kites had done for them.
'Well then landlord,' said Sancho, 'have a nice tender pullet roasted for us.'
'A pullet? Upon my soul!' the landlord replied. 'I have to be honest - only yesterdayI sent more than fifty of them off to town to be sold, but apart from pullets, you go ahead and ask for whatever you like.'
'That can;t be a reason for not having any veal or kid.'
'At the present moment in time,' the landlord replied, 'we haven't, we've run out, but there'll be plenty next week.'
'That's a fat lot of good to me?' Sancho retorted. 'But I bet all those items you haven't got are made up for by the lashings of eggs and bacon you have got.'
'For God's sake!' the landlord replied. 'This guest here's got a good sense of humour! I tell him I haven't any pullets or hens, and he expects me to have eggs? Dream up still further delicacies if you like, but do stop asking me for hens.'
'Bloody hell!' said Sancho. 'Let's sort this out. Just tell me once and for all what you have got - and you can leave the dreaming out of it, landlord!'
The innkeeper said: 'What I really and truly have got is a pair of cow-heels just like calves' feet, or a pair of calves' feet just like cows-heels.'
(From the Penguin Classics edition of Don Quixote, translated by John Rutherford, published 2000)
Based on a real cheese shop
I've heard that Neal's Yard Cheese Shop in London is the original inspiration for this sketch. I was there once and told so by an employee, who also told me that either Cleese or Palin (I forget which) lived nearby at one time. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 12:30, 25 July 2009 (UTC)Echol Marshall
- Of course they would say that. I'm sure many British cheese shops would say similar. With no reference, it's meaningless. - Denimadept (talk) 14:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Table of replies to each cheese?!
This is absurd minutiae. A similar table (of which character was killed by which other character) was removed from The Ultimate Showdown. This one should go too. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 12:36, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
- I think it's just a sneaky way to include the script of the sketch. - Denimadept (talk) 20:48, 9 August 2012 (UTC)