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Untitled[edit]

It would be a big overhaul, but this article is filled with subtle historical inaccuracies, plus a lot of redundancies and discrepancies with the other Chernobyl articles. Anyone want to help me take on a massive edit? Mfrphoto (talk) 19:40, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

A major source of information is the authoritative article by Zbigniew Jaworowski, former Chairman of UNSCEAR, which can be accessed at http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles_2010/Summer_2010/Observations_Chernobyl.pdf. Unfortunately, I haven't the time to help incorporate this invaluable information into the Chernobyl articles. Anarchie76 (talk) 11:18, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

The Zone is inappropriate alternative name because zona in colloquial Russian/Ukrainian/Belarusian means "jail". Also, we need redirects here from "the forth - Fourth Zone" and the "Chernobyl zone". I have honestly tried to work with redirect templates today, but they're above my knowledge so far:).

Would some movie-concerned Wikifellow link this page to the films portraying exactly the Forth Zone (unlike Stalker). Take a look at [1] - if you read Russian (and have a cheap cable connection : )

Now, the only obstacle to remove stub template is I think the lack of maps. Experts? Michael, Steshcke?AlexPU

The guy was right: redirects are needed indeed. I found out that Chernobyl accident has neither links here nor mentions of (!?). Chornobyl zone is also OK. Ukrained 19:02, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Shame on us, AlexPU :). I followed your typo like a fool and created erroneous redirect! Ukrained 19:19, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
And let's capitalize some redirect names. Ukrained 19:29, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I would suggest to use "Exclusion Zone" as the main term and link instead of "Zone of Alienation". "Exclusion Zone" is the term the institutions within the Exclusion Zone use themselves, and which are used in international project papers like for UN projects etc. I do not want to just overwrite your content, this is why you may see this as a friendly suggestion and contribtuion for you to consider. If you would like to have a photo of the model of the reactor after the accident on the page, let me know, I would make a good one available for this purpose on Commons. Other stuff and text maybe available on request, like a photo of the logo of the power plant (ChNPP) displayed near the red forest (the one that burnt from a radioactive dust cloud). This is my first Wiki text, please excuse in case I make a mistake with anything. Othertwice1 (talk) 14:23, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

"A motorcycle trip inside the zone (later confirmed as a hoax)"[edit]

Okay why is this even an external link if it's being called a hoax? Talk about being hypocritical, we're giving free advertising to someone who rigged the whole thing apparently just to get some attention. If it is to stay then it has to be discussed because it actually managed to get peoples attention back onto what happened.

Either it should be discussed or deleted, not just left as a festering link to a hoax. 83.100.152.98 00:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

  • It was me who marked the report as a hoax. I admit, it was a bit harsh: Helena (or whatever her real name is) did go to the Zone. However, not on a bike (she only took her gear and helmet), and certainly not by herself but with other people who also paid for the organized tour (seriously, do you really expect people who back in the Soviet times were feared by NATO generals to simply let a "pretty girl on a bike" ride in? Come on) --Bicycle repairman 03:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

RPG's?[edit]

From the 'Status' section: Numerous short-term tours and research expeditions into the zone are organized for Ukrainian and foreign citizens (mostly scientists, politicians, and the occasional computer game development team for RPG development). That last one sounds dubious. Pendragon39 16:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

It sounds like a bit of a joke. Maybe it happened once and one of the people in question added it here. Personally I don't think there's any point in saying "Ukrainian and foreign citizens" either (there aren't many places closed specifically to foreigners in Ukraine any more) and there's not a heck of a lot of point in listing the other professions either. I don't even think it's true to say "mostly..."; anyone (e.g. tourists) can, I'm told, book a tour from Kiev for between $100 and $200, and if you just drive to the zone, as I have, it's possible to avoid the checkpoints on the main roads by "getting lost" on tracks in the forest. – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 16:52, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, you've been there - please modify the sentence to make it more accurate :) Pendragon39 17:30, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Yeah! I was just being chicken and hiding out on the talk page because for some odd reason these Chernobyl-related articles seem to get ever-so controversial! But you're right, I should make a change, hang on... ;) – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 17:33, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Looks good :) Pendragon39 00:09, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Mixing Game/reality?[edit]

"There is also a complex social system of STALKERS that salvage artifacts from the radioactive anomalies that the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant has caused."

I cannot believe that this would be true, but it more sounds like straightly taken from the game "STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl". Guess someonehas mixed up reality and game. Can someone confirm and change this? (i would have changed the page if i was 100% certain). Of course, i'm certain there are no anomalies like those in that game, but since i'm not very into radioactivity, i'm not sure if there are things at all called anomalies when it comes to radition. (As in maybe a local higher level of radiation?) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.67.3.200 (talk) 18:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

This is stated in the first section of the "S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl" page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.T.A.L.K.E.R.:_Shadow_of_Chernobyl
"Some terminology of the game ("The Zone", "Stalker") as well as the background idea is borrowed from the popular science fiction book Roadside Picnic by Boris and Arkady Strugatsky, as well as the 1979 film Stalker, which was adapted from the book."
As far as I can find, STALKERS are not a real thing. There are people who loot the site, as mentioned in some of the Chernobyl articles, but they are not called STALKERS, nor do they have a complex social system. 205.211.50.10 02:05, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Quite clearly a pisstake. Some of the research scientists who work near the Zone call themselves Stalkers because of the culture surrounding the Zone, but the guys who grab bits and pieces of metal in Chernobyl and fence it in Kiev or online arn't stalkers.--70.178.224.225 04:26, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, there are people taking stuff from the area and selling it. But stalker isn't the (correct) term for them. They're more-or-less scrap hunters. Even I thought about going there and selling what I can find, you can make a hefty fortune off of all that stuff left over from the evacuations. Royaljared (talk) 01:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Relevance of Stalker film to Chernobyl incident?[edit]

"Stalker is a 1979 film directed by Andrei Tarkovsky, based on a 1972 novel by Boris and Arkady Strugatsky entitled Roadside Picnic. Both describe a mysterious and forbidden "zone", depopulated of human life by an unexplained disaster, and Tarkovsky's film in particular has come to symbolize the exclusion zone in the minds of many commentators."

The film Stalker, as well as the novel, are more based off of the Mayak incident, and the film was actually made seven years before the Chernobyl incident.--127.0.0.1 01:14, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I think it's included because it portrays the idea of the "zone" which was never an issue of the Mayak incident, so it's still relevant. Pongley (talk) 09:20, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

This section is for "cultural references" and not cultural coincidences. Removing the line about Stalker unless someone can find a source stating the naming of The Zone was a direct reference to the Tarkovsky film. (68.34.31.6 (talk) 03:51, 4 May 2012 (UTC)) It could not have been an influence: The film was made in the decade before the disaster. Nevertheless, there's evidence that the Tarkovsky movie and the book it was based upon was used as a cultural reference when people began to talk about the Zone: 'Stalking' became applied to activities in the Zone as a result of that film. I'll eventually get around to writing this evidence into the page. -- Cooper 42(Talk)(Contr) 17:04, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

The bunker[edit]

I heared that there is a large radiation-protected facility under the radar building still functioning. It includes food, clean air and energy reserves. It it true?--212.1.251.138 22:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

History[edit]

The history section is too sentimental for Wikipedia. Can someone change? (SirGrotius 19:22, 9 October 2007 (UTC))

Map?[edit]

Now it's been a few years since I took a course in geography, but 30Km is a pretty range. does anyone know where Chernobyl is in Ukraine? Maybe it would be helpful to the more map-minded if they knew where it was. Sixer Fixer (talk) 01:24, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Coordinates?[edit]

I've commented out the coordinates (for now). Can someone explain why we have coordinates for this article? (especially displayed in the title). Are the coordinates in the centre of the zone? Please don't bite me if I haven't understood. --smadge1 (talk) 10:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

CoD4: MW[edit]

Added to the Cultural precedents and references section, someone forgot that Call of Duty 4 has a level set in Prypiat. Dragonshardz (talk) 18:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Looting[edit]

Despite police control, intruders often infiltrate the perimeter and remove polluted materials, from electronics to toilet seats, especially in Pripyat

Even if there is really such a big market these days for pre-1986 Soviet-manufactured electronic goods would it be common to actually find such items in working order having been stored unused in less than ideal conditions for over two decades ? 86.112.254.163 (talk) 11:00, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

They are looking for precious metals I think, such as gold, silver, platinum, rather than for working electronics.--Dojarca (talk) 11:14, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

They're looking for ANY metal, as well as for wires, pipes and non-rusting plumbing parts:( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.133.151.124 (talk) 20:59, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

The spamsection[edit]

Ladies and gentlemen, the "Cultural precedents and references" has become a spamdrive for a growing number of people. I suggest to clean it up from everything except Strugatsky novel and Tarkovsky film (which still need citations), and I`m going to be bold and do it myself in a week. Ukrained (talk) 20:10, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Dubious[edit]

I see a number of minor factual errors in this article. (I spent the past year working in the Chernobyl zone). However, I am new to editing Wikipedia entries so please look and see if I followed conventions correctly. Thanks. Mfrphoto (talk) 21:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)mfrphoto

I've made some factual corrections, but there are some other problems I refrained from fixing as I am not positive about the facts. These are, in order:

1...in order to evacuate the local population : I don't believe the zone was created until after the evacuation. 2 It would be useful to add an explanation of the 4 different zones in the Purpose and status section. 3 Zone authorities pay much attention to protecting such spots from tourists, scrap hunters and wildfires : this may be true on paper but is certainly not true in reality 4 It is partly excluded from the regular civil rule. : Can anyone tell me what this means? 5 The flora and fauna section needs to be updated and made more coherent. 6. Yaniv station: never heard it called this name so I changed it but perhaps someone knows better than I. Mfrphoto (talk) 05:00, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

  • I'd agree. It's the First Zone, not the Fourth. And it is entirely in Kyivska Oblast. The railway station in question is called "industrial siding of the ChAES" now according to this map, although Yaniv station did exist somewhere on that line before the disaster. However, the terminus of the passenger service, according to this schedule, is Semykhody.


Zone dimensions[edit]

The phrase "Chornobyl's'ka zona оr Четверта зона, Chetverta zona) is the 30 km/19 mi exclusion zone around the site" is misleading. Dimensions (radius) of the most contaminated closed zone exceed(ed) 30 km by far in almost every direction. The name "The 30 Kilometer Zone" in Russian was just a lie, characteristic to Soviet authorities. 193.40.133.134 (talk) 12:52, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone know the full geographical extent of the zone of alienation? How many square kilometers are we talking about? The maps is useful, but it's hard to estimate from that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.155.152.138 (talk) 11:11, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Chernobyl Stalking[edit]

Has anyone started the move to the Zone of alienation? If not, I can C.C.Peterson (talk) 15:46, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Useless map?[edit]

Currently, this article gives a map of the Zone of Alienation.

Chernobyl radiation map 1996.svg


Can someone explain the characteristics of the different zones? Thanks, --Abdull (talk) 23:05, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Referencing[edit]

This article has a lot of uncited statements. Jezhotwells (talk) 15:59, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Article re-name[edit]

The article name seems long and formal (currently "Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant Exclusion Zone"). In English, it is often just called the "Chernobyl exclusion zone". Perhaps I'm wrong, and we need to say "Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant" in full, and "Exclusion Zone" needs to be capitalized as a proper noun. I'd like to see what others thought about simplifying the article name. Green Cardamom (talk) 19:31, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

The Ukrainian official name is: Зона відчуження Чорнобильської АЕС Which translates directly as Chernobyl NPP Zone of Alienation where NPP stands for Nuclear Power plant (атомна електростанція)

You are right, though, that it is most often refered to in English as the "Chernobyl Exclusion Zone" (Zone of Alienation gets used rarely, and ocasionally the now-inaccurate colloquialism "30km Zone" gets used in English and Ukrainian). This is backed up by its use by scientists and scholars on the Zone. Google scholar sees "Chernobyl NPP Exclusion Zone" in about 75 results, "Chernobyl nuclear Power Plant Exclusion Zone" in about 25 resulst and "Chernobyl Exclusion Zone" in over 200 results.

In reality, the usual borders of the Zone as it is known is actually a some of two parts of a four-zone system: the central exclusion Zone and bits of the "Compulsory reloaction Zone": http://www.chernobyl.info/Default.aspx?tabid=130&map=58_en exact definition of borders is difficult (officail documentation prduce different boundaries, though one set is more common than another), but that's another issue. --Cooper42 17:39, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Somebody messed up the article naming, which is, officially and clearly, the "Zone of alienation" in Ukrainian. We need it back. 93.75.164.119 (talk) 11:41, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
We don't use "official" names always. We use the name that is most common and best understood in the English language world. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 16:41, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
If you mean the Google by "English-language world") than they are almost equal in usage:
No, don't mean by Google, at least not those searches or results. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 16:11, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Area[edit]

"it initially existed as an area of 30 kilometer radius ... it now covers a much larger area ... The Exclusion Zone covers an area of approximately 2,600 km2"

That doesn't seem to make sense. The area of a circle with radius 30 km exceeds 2600 sq km. Should this be rephrased or corrected?

Martin Rattigan (talk) 14:35, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

You are, of course, correct. π*302 = 2,827km2 as the area. What it should claim is that it now covers a larger area of the territory of Ukraine; given that much of the 30km radius zone was in Belarus (which has it's own Zone / 'nature reserve'). Will edit accordingly --Cooper42(Talk)(Contr) 04:32, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Dead Link[edit]

Not sure how to file an actual report for it, and I don't have time to figure it out (last minute research paper night). Link #8 ("Zoning of radioactively contaminated territory of Ukraine according to actual regulations") goes to an error page. Either a replacement link is needed or it must be removed. Mazt (talk) 01:04, 14 May 2013 (UTC)