Talk:Chibok schoolgirls kidnapping

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Why this is not much discussed in the media?[edit]

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230 schoolgirls kidnapped and there was not even an article about it in Wikipedia. It upset me the type of news media covers and ignore the ones which needed attention. Is it due to regional background or race? Ashish Lohorung (talk) 07:22, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Please help me to expand this article. Ashish Lohorung (talk) 07:23, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
I am extremely delighted that this incident has got enough media attention that US government is sending task force to Nigeria, spreaded protest in various countries and #bringbackourgils hash tag in Twitter. Though Boko Haram kidnapped more girls now they will pay price for it finally. Ashish Lohorung (talk) 13:52, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
When I saw this message, I assumed it was from a new editor who did not have enough experience of editing to know what Wikipedia was about. I was astonished to find that it came from an editor who has been here for 6 years and made nearly 3000 edits. I have two things to say in answer to your surprise that there was no article about this until you created one.
  1. There is never an article on a topic until some editor (such as you) comes along and creates one. The fact that there isn't an article on a subject is often just because nobody has yet created one.
  2. I strongly suggest that you read Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a newspaper. It is not at all clear to me that this is any more than one ephemeral news item, no more significant than millions of other news items. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 09:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
HI, James, I really appreciate your response towards the topic. I do understand that Wikipedia is not a newspaper. However, my concern is of humanity that 230 schoolgirls were abducted and it is not much covered in mainstream media. So I have created this article and hopefully expect editors to expand it. This solely comes from my heart and I am still not sure if that is enough to be notable in Wikipedia. Please correct me if I am wrong. Thank you. Ashish Lohorung (talk) 11:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
The talk page isn't really the place to discuss the media, but if you want an answer as to why this isn;t super big news in teh West it is likely largely related to the fact that Boko Haram have done a lot of bad things this year, leading to burnout. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:21, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
It isn't super big news in the west because it isn't happening in the west. I agree that is should be receiving more attention than it is, and disagree that it is no more than another ephemeral news item. Was 9/11 just an ephemeral news item? 3000 killed in 9/11... 4000 killed by Boko Haram, in 2014 so alone. An international terrorist organization targeting women and children civilians that is too large for the Nigerian government to control and is actively engaged in a war against 'western education'. Yeah I can see how this is nothing more than a passing news line on page 4 and not 'worthy' of a wikipedia article. This is not 'local woman's dog saves cat from burning building'. This is the kidnapping of as many people as most people have for facebook friends. Furthermore, it seems like wikipedia is at least partially a newspaper... on the top left corner of the homepage is the 'In the news' section, which is how I got here. This site is searchable, are you afraid it is going to be hard to find the Chibok, Nigeria page amongst all the pages of mass murders and kidnappings? The more articles the better I think, and if it is really newsworthy then it is really encyclopedia worthy. Jake Papp (talk) 17:19, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
P.S. The story may be featured on the homepage soon. See Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#Boko_Haram_kidnapping --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:28, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you a lot, ThaddeusB. I really appreciate that. I hope to see it in the homepage soon. :-) Ashish Lohorung (talk) 09:19, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
I can't speak for all the media sources, but I know just in listening to NPR on the radio, this story has gotten quite abit of play recently. If you're looking for sources, that might be a good place to start. 12.11.127.253 (talk) 19:05, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

How is this a "low importance" terrorism article? It isn't something which happens everyday. If Boko Haram kidnapped and raped 200 European girls I'd have to be callous to call it low importance. 135.0.167.2 (talk) 05:06, 1 May 2014 (UTC)


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Conflicting dates[edit]

The article as it stands now starts with "On 14 April 2014..." but the "Kidnapping" section says it happened on April 15. Not sure how to proceed with figuring out the details, but I just wanted to make a note. Rabdill (talk) 04:03, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

It was the night of April 14-15, although I don't know if it was before or after midnight. Now fixed. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:28, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

The Students are being Sold Overseas for $6[edit]

There have been notable reports in Nigerian media that these girls are being married off for 2000 naira (about $12) as wives to Nigeriens, Chadians, and other neighbouring countries, I think it should be included. 1, 2

Also there was a major protest both in Lagos and in the North regarding this, I think it should also be included in the reaction section 1

Lastly no matter how Wikipedia tries to state that it is NOT a reliable source or a Newspaper, the ironic fact is that the general opinion of many is what it claims not be. Darreg (talk) 12:49, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Links[edit]

>> Police post reward for missing Nigerian girls(Lihaas (talk) 14:28, 7 May 2014 (UTC)).

Reliable Source??[edit]

This line in the last section - The President of the Muslim Students Society of Nigeria called on Muslims to fast and pray "in order to seek Allah's intervention in this precarious time."[25] Al-Haji Sa’ad Abubakar III, sultan of Sokoto, has also called for prayers and intensified efforts to release the innocent girls from Boko Haram militants. seems to be taken from a website and when I searched the headline, I could not find a similar news in a reliable newspaper. Can we remove this line and add it later when it appears on reliable sources? - Vatsan34 (talk) 18:26, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

The quote is so mundane its probably true. I think they should be retained as they show the plurality of thought amongst Muslims in Nigeria. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 22:29, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
I guess that worldwide people do not equate Nigerian Muslims with those little bunch of terrorists. Also, blogs or websites run by unreliable sources are still not considered for a Wiki article. - Vatsan34 (talk) 18:12, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Boko Haram may represent a relatively small proportion of the Borno population, but it certainly is not a "little bunch"; it is a very substantial terrorist organisation. Gabrielthursday (talk) 02:26, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Move to "Chibok kidnapping"[edit]

Can we move the article to "Chibok kidnapping"? I feel it is needlessly disambiguated, the event has become so globally notable as to demand such a singular title. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 19:05, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

I agree a singular title makes sense; I would suggest a slightly more descriptive title: "Chibok schoolgirl kidnapping" Gabrielthursday (talk) 02:19, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
I agree with Gabrielthursday, kidnapping denotes a bit abstract meaning of the incident. Ashish Lohorung (talk) 15:08, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
I agree. Page should be moved to Chibok schoolgirl kidnapping based on the reasons stated above. Ochiwar (talk) 10:53, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
Wouldn't "Chibok schoolgirls kidnapping" be better? Plural use of schoolgirl, to signify the huge numbers of school girls kidnapped. Ashish Lohorung (talk) 02:04, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Retaining a reference to the girls in the title is important.Cpsoper (talk) 12:03, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

2 bombs in Jos[edit]

Not sure if this is related to Chibok, but BBC says two explosions rock central Nigerian city of Jos, adding, "Islamist group Boko Haram has also previously targeted the area." [1] Sca (talk) 15:35, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

BBC updates with "dozens killed." [2] See also AP, [3] Sca (talk) 17:24, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
"At least" 46 killed, per BBC. [4] Sca (talk) 20:39, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
May_2014_Nigeria_bombings for the bombings. CaptRik (talk) 22:05, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

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Can we ask if some of the current editors are paid advocates of the Nigerian govt., given recent reports.
Would other recent editors care to join me in disclosing any conflict of interest? - transparency is important.
I declare I have no financial interest in the subject covered by this page. Cpsoper (talk) 04:58, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

At least provide a citation for your extraordinary claims...Gareth E Kegg (talk) 13:34, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
The liberal website ThinkProgress notes that Mr Jonathan's opinion piece appeared in the Washington Post thanks to a new, $1.2m deal the Nigerian president recently signed with the US public relations firm Levick BBC. So what about you, Sir?
Will you declare any financial interest in this case, as any ordinary academic author should - see wikimedia's resolution, for example? Noone can object to Goodluck Jonathan hiring spindoctors, but we should all know if they're at work here in a public encyclopedia for his money.Cpsoper (talk) 18:40, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
That story has nothing to do with this article.Gareth E Kegg (talk) 09:58, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

HRW report[edit]

I've cited the damning HRW report, given the summary it provides of the situation I have also cited its summary in quotes.Cpsoper (talk) 06:40, 27 October 2014 (UTC)