Talk:Chicago Outfit

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Is there a purpose to this article if there is wrong info[edit]

What scares me about this article of the Chicago Outfit is the wrong info being put in this article. As officer on Chicago Gangs and Crimes Unit for 20 years. I feel that my work is being made into mockery with this article.

Reply[edit]

Is there anything us Wikipedians can do to remove the wrong info? Some way we can contact the person who left this message? Also, I remember an author named Bill Brashler who was on the History Channel program History's Mysteries, specifically an episode entitled The Legacy of Al Capone. In that episode, Brashler stated that the Chicago Outfit was not part of the Mafia, but was, in fact, a general gang. He further said that this explained the reason it was called the Outfit, or "the boys." Is there a way that can be put into this article? And003 (talk) 23:09, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

The article is poorly written, generally, and in need of considerable editing. Also, the information is tangential, at best. For example, O'Banion, Weiss and Drucci preceded, and with the exception of the sensational St. Valentine's Day Massacre and Hollywood-inspired glorification, were inarguably more significant gang-leaders than George "Bugs" Moran. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiz8899 (talkcontribs) 18:23, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

This article is one of the worst in Wikipedia. It is full of misinformation and appears to have been either vandalized or edited by someone who is ignorant of the history of the Outfit. It's an example of why Wikipedia cannot be used as a reliable source. It's also an example of an article where someone can take their time to make the necessary corrections only to have someone else screw it up again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.138.222 (talk) 07:17, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Lack of References[edit]

Not even a tenth of this article comes from the scant-few references listed at the bottom of the page. And this isn't a suggestion to start adding on "after-work" references that weren't used as research in the creation of the article, which is an epidemic on Wikipedia. So many times links to references go to unaccessible websites that clearly weren't used as research to write the article. So please do not start adding on references just to "authenticize" this article.

On another note, there are numerous still-living persons listed, some of which have never been connected to organized crime but only rumored to be connected to organized crime. Or relatives of alleged members listed simply because they are relatives of alleged members, but actually have no involvement whatsoever in a criminal lifestyle.

To sum it up, someone knowledgeable on the subject needs to really look at this article and decide what needs to be done with it. Seriously. Lock & Key (talk) 09:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism[edit]

  • (Called, The Four Fathers)

A vandal inserted this remark into the article under "present leaders." Lethal Weapon 4 has been on cable lately. In it are four Japanese godfathers known as "The Four Fathers." I guess the vandal thought it would be funny to insert that into the article. Quite lame. Lock & Key (talk) 09:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I reverted the following:

It has been alleged by [annoying people] John DiFronzo, James [Marllo], and Joseph [Lomdo] run The Outfit in tandem since [2045]. Lombardo was indicted April 26, 2005, absconded, but was arrested January 13, 2006 in Elmwood Park, Chicago. Outfit lieutenant Anthony Zizzo disappeared en route to a Northside, Rush Street area meeting on August 31, 2006. Zizzo, whose sport utility vehicle was found abandoned in a Division Street, Westside suburban parking lot, had been mislabeled as the Outfit's number two man or Underboss by the media. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.213.174 (talk) 01:10, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

References[edit]

A quick set of links on some information:

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.167.117.10 (talkcontribs)

External Links Prankster[edit]

The first link on the external links is a prank link. The first link in the "External Links" section goes to a site with completely made up bosses, members, and information. It's pretty childish thing to do. So I have removed it.

Here was the link: http://www.chicagomafia.netfirms.com

Again, I am removing it right now. --Lock & Key 19:46, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism[edit]

This isn't at all my area of expertise, but it looks like this page was vandalized on the 18th. I removed the obvious false nicknames and replaced them with the nicknames that were present before, but I hope someone with expert knowledge will check up on this. I also apologize if I removed any legit edits along with the vandalism. TriNotch 05:54, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Chinatown crew[edit]

Chinatowns across the world are extremely close knit and in no circumstance has there been an outside ethnic crime group that controlled rackets in chinatowns where in every case the crime is controlled by local or foreign tied Triad groups. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.166.104.26 (talkcontribs)

You might want to look into your comment. In Chicago, the Outfit has the final say, so a Chinese Triad isn't going to make waves. Take Ken Eto for example. He was the Outfit's man. The reason its called the "Chinatwon Crew" is because of is geography, most of the crew is actually on 26th Street. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.39.183 (talk) 15:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Joseph Ferriola[edit]

I recently added an article concerning Outfit boss Joseph Ferriola, but some of this information might be inaccurate, and it needs expanding. Anyone interested in doing these tasks can find the article here:

Joseph Ferriola
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Ferriola

prank members[edit]

These people:

  1. Bart Sibrel, "Fat Boy"
  2. Marco van Basten, "San Marco"

are both definitely not members of the outfit. The first is moonlanding hoaxer, the second a famous dutch football player and trainer.

External link cleanup[edit]

External links[edit]

I removed the external links. They require cleanup and "thinning". I cleaned up the rest of the article and removed some of the commentary which was associated with certain people and thier current or presumed current positions in the organization. Please continue that work. Thanks, --Daysleeper47 (talk) 16:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Removals[edit]

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I have removed material from this article that does not comply with our policy on the biographies of living persons. Biographical material must always be referenced from reliable sources, especially negative material. Negative material that does not comply with that must be immediately removed. Note that the removal does not imply that the information is either true or false.

Please do not reinsert this material unless you can provide reliable citations, and can ensure it is written in a neutral tone. Please review the relevant policies before editing in this regard. Editors should note that failure to follow this policy may result in the removal of editing privileges.--Docg 14:29, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Piped links[edit]

I have removed some serious abuse of the piped links facility. See Wikipedia:Piped link for more information on piping links. It is not intended to result in long links that clutter the article. Please think of the reader and keep links simple. Ground Zero | t 11:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

al capone was a Italian-American mobster[edit]

al capone was a Italian-American mobster so why dose it all say gangster when he was in the mob and the mob top boss of the chicago crime family —Preceding unsigned comment added by I love girls bums (talkcontribs) 21:49, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

this article is so wrong[edit]

Al Capone was Italian yes not a Sicilian but he was a part of the Mafia the Chicago crime family or the outfit witch is a Italian American Mafia in Chicago not a gang but a Mafia that runs and workS like any other Sicilian Mafia and has Sicilians in it and one of the most known bosses was Sicilian Tony Accardo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.243.86.54 (talk) 20:52, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

You have Grambling "GT All Business" Dominique Jr., as an Associate who is an enforcer. This is incorrect, this gentleman is a fraud who makes up characters and careers so that he is well respected. No African American man in their right mind would parade around telling people that he is associated with the mob if he really is associated with the mob - a code of silence still must be followed. Nutty7688 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:53, 28 July 2010 (UTC).

I removed it. Out of curiosity, why didn't you remove it?Sperril (talk) 19:05, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Material removed[edit]

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I have removed material from this article that does not comply with our policy on the biographies of living persons. Biographical material must always be referenced from reliable sources, especially negative material. Negative material that does not comply with that must be immediately removed. Note that the removal does not imply that the information is either true or false.

Please do not reinsert this material unless you can provide reliable citations, and can ensure it is written in a neutral tone. Please review the relevant policies before editing in this regard. Editors should note that failure to follow this policy may result in the removal of editing privileges.--Scott Mac 17:21, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Title of this article[edit]

The name of this article is 'Chicago Outfit' however the name of the crime syndicate is stated in the first sentence of the article to be 'The Chicago Outfit.' Which is correct? Can someone please correct the disparity? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.135.82.175 (talk) 09:41, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

There is no disparity. Wikipedia naming convention is to omit the definite article at the beginning of the title; see WP:THE. —Lowellian (reply) 22:50, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Film section[edit]

I think this section should be merged with, or at least reference the Mob Film article and Mafia_films — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rapsity24 (talkcontribs) 23:45, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

legitimate businesses[edit]

There doesn't seem to be any information about the legitimate businesses they have setup. Is there nothing to add for them? Govvy (talk) 00:00, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

recent large story inseted[edit]

I took down a large section that seems with much confirmation. There has been a war also - an Internet addie and Ted - I found this at Arbitration page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#BLP_issue - Do stop writing this story without resolution - Mosfetfaser (talk) 04:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC)