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Chichimeca has nothing to do with chichiltic[edit]

The root in chihiltic is the root of chilli, chile. It means literally "chili coloured" so if there was to be talk about a red-lineage it would be chichilmecatl. Also the nahua are also "redskins" so it would be completely illogical to name another distinct people after this trait. The section was not encyclopedic but merely speculative, and wrongly so, so i cut it.

Cut archaeology section[edit]

This section doesn't meention the chichimeca and there are no known archeological sites of Chichimecas. We need to move the info onb la quemada and chalchiuites elsewhere though siince the information seems ok. Maunus 09:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I've moved the pyramidsection to Mesoamerican pyramids.Maunus 08:05, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

A Shoshony Elder Corbin Harny said chichimeca is there original name and that it means Red vain which is colorado river for corners area. I dont belive half of the history the pale man says. Oral traditions if my way —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.123.61.57 (talk) 00:49, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Modern Chichimecs[edit]

So who exactly are the contemporary groups of Chichimecs?(other than the Otomi).. Do they have related languages?Domsta333 02:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

The only group that is still known by the name Chichimec is the Chichimeca Jonaz who themselves prefer the term "ùza" meaning simply "indian". In modern mexico "chichimec" is a derogatory term and there are not used about any other etnic groups than the Jonaz. Otomi are not called chichimecs. The ethnic groups historically referred to as Chichimecs did not speak related languages, many of the spoke Uto-Aztecan languages but many other spoke Oto-Manguean languages and they comprised many different mutually unintelligible languages. It's all in the article really.·Maunus· tlahtōlli 11:24, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
It is my belief that the "migrant workers" and "illegal immigrants from Mexico" are the modern Chichimecas. AThousandYoung (talk) 01:28, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Dubious[edit]

The article seems to imply that people from the US use the term 'Apache' pejoratively to intone barbarity. It's possible that I'm misreading the text, in which case I think rewording is needed. Otherwise I think the assertion is not true.

I think in the old days of black and white westerns, Indians in general were (ironically) depicted as thieving, dishonest, naive and barbaric people. In the 50s and 60s, the idea of the noble savage became popularly accepted. In modern times, with historic retrospection, movies like 'Dances with Wolves' tend to have a more universalistic perspective showing Native Americans as dealing with their environment as best they could given their technologies in common with many peoples placed in similar environments, including many of the Europeans that were dispossessing them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harburg (talkcontribs) 20:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

It's supposed to mean that Mexicans use the term Apache pejoratively, which they do. I'll clarify.·Maunus·ƛ· 04:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)