Talk:Chris Bell (politician)

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Untitled[edit]

He may be "passionate" and "dedicated" about things, but that should be saved for the personal website, not for Wikipedia.

Question on "truce"[edit]

"...ending a 7-year truce between the parties..." Truce? What truce? They've always been at each others' throats. Can someone elaborate on what they meant with this particular line? Did you mean a truce on ethics complaints, or something else? · Katefan0(scribble) 23:47, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct - there were no ethics complaints for 7 years between the two parties.

Mentor to Houston Community College trustee Jay K. Aiyer[edit]

During the 2005 Houston city elections to replace term-limited councilmember Gordon Quan (a former Bell colleague during his tenure as an at-large Houston City Councilmember), it has been known that Bell is a mentor to HCC Board President Jay Aiyer. One issue brought up during the 2006 primary elections is Bell's position on the recent constitutional amendment which passed in November banning same-sex marriages although he is supportive of civil unions like his former primary opponent Al Green.

The sitting councilmember who replaced Quan - Sue Lovell - voiced her statement in response to endorsing Bell as the primary candidate where she discussed her opponent's receiving an endorsement from a right-wing conservative talk radio host on KSEV AM Radio. Since Jay Aiyer and Bell are close friends - there is a rift in the Texas Democratic Party to which candidate should be voted this November in response to Prop 2 being passed in November 2005. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.187.174.15 (talk • contribs)

Okay. So you want.... what? You want the above section added? You never say. You slapped a NPOV tag on the article, and drop the above infodump here in the text page, but that leaves little clue as to just what you want to happen to the page, or why you think that the page has NPOV issues. - TexasAndroid 20:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is DEFINITELY an advertisement/needs cleanup[edit]

"Chris" needs to be replaced with "Bell" in all uses. That alone shows this is an ad, or a press release.

If it is not so cleaned up, it needs to be put on hold until Nov. 8. 216.201.197.1 19:56, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've cleaned up the odd use of the first name, but some of the rest could use some work as well. Some of it reads almost verbatim like ad copy and could be more neutrally restated, and better sourced. In particular, there are places where things Bell alleges about his opponents are stated as fact, but would be more clearly stated as "Bell alleges...". --Delirium 05:54, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is this a campaign page?[edit]

This entire article is one of the worst examples of biography bias I have ever seen on Wikipedia. This looks like it was written by member the Bell for Governor campaign staff. The writer is either a political supporter of Chris Bell or a plagarist who has pulled this information from a Democratic website. This is pure political propaganga and has NO place on this website. THIS IS BIASED, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. ~~rncwright

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Bell propaganda[edit]

Someone named Eduardo.g.harvard <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Eduardo.g.harvard> keeps changing Chris Bell's own description of himself. Mr. Bell, an attorney, describes himself on his own firm's website as "an 18 wheeler attorney."

Here is the page, which I accessed today (September 1, 2015):

http://www.chrisbelllaw.com/?page_id=284

QUOTE: "If you’ve been injured in a truck accident, you need an experienced attorney who knows how to get you the full amount of compensation that you deserve. It’s important that you contact an 18 wheeler lawyer so that you can pursue damages from the driver, trucking company, or any other responsible party.... When you hire Chris Bell to take on your truck accident claim, you can rest assured you’ll be getting excellent legal representation. Chris Bell offers free initial consultation and no personal costs to you unless you win your case. Please do not hesitate. Call him today at..."

Moreover, his website's home page at

http://www.chrisbelllaw.com

describes him thus:

"For more than 20 years, Chris Bell has represented clients in Texas on cases including truck accident law, personal injury, and commercial litigation. He brings a wealth of experience and unrivaled passion to every case he handles including truck accident law and personal injury."

Finally, his website's "Contact" page at

http://www.chrisbelllaw.com/?page_id=17

features a picture of Mr. Bell and ... an overturned 18-wheeler.

http://www.chrisbelllaw.com/wp-content/themes/chris-bell/images/contact-image-block.png

If Mr. Eduardo.g.harvard does not like this description of Chris Bell by Chris Bell himself, then he needs to take it up with the candidate, and not keep trying to revert accurate edits in this article. NicholasNotabene (talk) 17:54, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bell campaign propaganda reversions[edit]

Once again Mr. Eduardo.g.harvard has attempted to revert the edit on the Chris Bell article. Can he provide some reason for doing so? Is the article inaccurate? Does it not quote Mr. Bell's own website? Is this description of Mr. Bell's legal specialty not the one given by Mr. Bell himself? I would like to see a solid justification for these repeated attempts to revert an accurate edit.

NicholasNotabene (talk) 18:39, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

His description includes many facets of law that he practices (including truck accidents). It's disingenuous to focus on the type of litigation that has a negative connotation. That lends undue weight to one issue. What's more, this info belongs under "Political Career" rather than →top Eduardo.g.harvard (talk) 20:18, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bell campaign reversions (again)[edit]

Mr. Eduardo.g.harvard feels personally that truck-accident litigation "has a negative connotation." Mr. Bell also feels that Mr. Bell's profession (that is, how Mr. Bell makes a living) should not be listed at the opening of his Wikipedia article. How do Eduardo.g.harvard's feelings enter into a Wikipedia article?

In any event, Mr. Eduardo.g.harvard's response does not any answer any questions I have posed: (1) Is the entry accurate, or inaccurate? (2) Does it not quote Mr. Bell's own website? (3) Is the following description of Mr. Bell's legal specialty — that he is "an 18 wheeler lawyer" — not the one given by Mr. Bell himself?

Why does Mr. Eduardo.g.harvard feel that he is a better judge of Chris Bell's legal specialty than Mr. Bell himself? Has Mr. Bell disclaimed his own website? Has he expressed shame at being, in his words, "an 18 wheeler lawyer"? Again, take a look at Mr. Bell's website. The emphasis is consistently on his truck-accident litigation. There is an entire web page devoted to it — which is not true of any other type of law Mr. Bell may (or may not) practice. Again, who is the authority on what constitues Mr. Bell's legal specialty and livelihood — Chris Bell, or "Eduardo.g.harvard"? I have again fixed the edits Mr. Mr. Eduardo.g.harvard has attempted to revert — and I will continue to do so. This article is not an advertisement for Mr. Bell's latest political campaign. It is an article about Mr. Bell. His profession and his daily livelihood are not matters to be hidden away because Mr. Eduardo.g.harvard feels they are distasteful.

NicholasNotabene (talk) 05:55, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]


His description includes many facets of law that he practices (including truck accidents). It's disingenuous to focus on the type of litigation that has a negative connotation. That lends undue weight to one issue. What's more, this info belongs under "Political Career" rather than →top. I'll continue fixing this issue as NicholasNotabene continues defaming this page.

1. It's inacurate insofar as it promotes an unbalanced view of Mr. Bell's legal career- lending undue weight to one very specified practice.

2. I'm adding the FULL quote from his website- not a cherry picked section.

3. Though he mentions being an 18-wheeler lawyer, he also mentions a long list of other types of litigation. From the website NicholasNotabene cites "Chris Bell has represented clients in Texas on cases including truck accident law, personal injury, and commercial litigation."

Eduardo.g.harvard (talk) 13:36, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

NicholasNotabene (talk) 06:41, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

NicholasNotabene (talk) 06:44, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the RfC notices which were inappropriately placed here because it's causing LegoBot to spam editors signed up for the feedback request service, and there is no request here. If you have a request for comments, the appropriate use is to start a new section, place the RfC template, and then below the template state explicitly what it is you are requesting comments about. You just stuck the tag into the end of your content dispute without saying what for. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 13:42, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Edit discussion 1[edit]

Excuse me? I am "defaming this page"? By quoting Chris Bell's own description of himself? I am "inaccurate"? By quoting Chris Bell's own description of himself? I am "disingenuous"? By quoting Chris Bell's own description of himself?

"It's disingenuous to focus on the type of litigation that has a negative connotation," Mr. Eduardo.g.harvard writes. A negative connotation according to whom?

"What's more,"Mr. Eduardo.g.harvard writes, "this info belongs under "Political Career" rather than →top."

So being an "18 wheeler lawyer" is part of Mr. Bell's "political career"?

I repeat my questions that Mr. Eduardo.g.harvard has failed to address: Does Mr. Bell have — or not have — an entire page on his (fairly limited) website devoted specifically to his being "an 18 wheeler lawyer"? Yes or no? Does Mr. Bell have any OTHER separate page on his own website devoted to some specific legal specialty beside truck-accident litigation? Is truck litigation not the first thing listed whenMr. Bell describes his legal work? Who is Mr. Eduardo.g.harvard to remove Chris Bell's own description of himself? How is the term "inacurate," in any fashion, when it is the term used Mr. Bell himself? Has Mr. Bell stated elsewhere that he does not want to be called "an 18 wheeler lawyer" because the term has "negative connotations"? If not, why does Mr. Eduardo.g.harvard believe that his own feelings are paramount and incessantly deleting Mr. Bell's own words?

I have asked for neutral Third-Party opinions on this matter, given that Mr. Mr. Eduardo.g.harvard keeps deleting a fully referenced and entirely accurate citation. NicholasNotabene (talk) 18:44, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As I stated before (which you disregarded) was that when you intentionally leave out information and context from what you call 'cited' material, you perpetuate a falsehood. I'm sorry you have invested time into what many would consider vandalism- especially considering the BLP status of this page. Eduardo.g.harvard (talk) 23:57, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Edit discussion 2[edit]

I have also noticed that Mr. Eduardo.g.harvard has also deleted, in the "External Links" section of this Wikipedia article, a link to the web page of Chris Bell's law firm. What is the justification for deleting such a link? Is it not a primary source? I will be reinstating this link, given that Mr. Bell is an attorney and his practice is his livelihood. NicholasNotabene (talk) 18:50, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I updated the link... Eduardo.g.harvard (talk) 23:58, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

SPAM or virus link deleted[edit]

I have deleted a link inside this article

http://www.houstonvoice.com/print.cfm?content_id=421

that when clicked upon immediately redirected the user randomly(I tried it several times) to other commercial sites, including one which attempted to install a program onto my computer's hard drive. I have no idea whether this link ever worked (in that it may have once contained relevant information), or whether it has been a SPAM link all along. NicholasNotabene (talk) 20:26, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Edit discussion 3[edit]

User Eduardo.g.harvard has now attempted to wholesale-revert an article which has undergone significant and labor-intensive corrections, including the removal of a SPAM link, noting of dead links, the need to reference uncited assertions, and the addition of significant (and documented) recent content. NicholasNotabene (talk) 23:11, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

NicholasNotabene has gone into the article and- on a line by line basis- injected falsehood and opinion, under the guise of cited material. Upon further investigation, Mr. Notabene will understand that he is misrepresenting the truth. Eduardo.g.harvard (talk) 23:59, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Chris Bell (politician)/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

This article is completely biased in a "pro-Chris Bell" manner... almost as if it has been written by a member of his campaign. it completely fails to mention any controversy or questionable decisions or votes he has made in the past- not even his role in killing Houston's "westheimer street festival".

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