Talk:Christianization of Poland

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Shouldn't this be "christening of Poland" rather? I suspect this is a little bit of a mistranslation, conjuring up the image of the whole of Poland being submerged in a baptismal fount. dab (ᛏ) 21:00, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Then we should Baptism of Kiev as well, if only for the sake of standartization. --Ghirlandajo 01:58, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

In Poland the term used for description of the event is 'baptism of Poland' not 'Christianization of Poland'.The changes you made make the information incorrect as Chrzest Polski means Baptism of Poland --Molobo 00:21, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

The Christianization of Poland was a process that took some centuries. The "baptism of Poland," by contrast, was an event, symbolized by the baptism of Poland's first ruler, that initiated this process of Christianization. The term "Baptism of Poland" is analogous to "Baptism of Kievan Rus'." logologist 07:56, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

US Postal Service Celebrates 1000 year anniv.

I am a newbie to editing wikipedia and since no current == external links == exist on the main page to edit i will leave that kind of major article editing to others.

This is the specific link i would like to add:

US stamp

• [1] Eclectic99 (talk) 13:11, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Could you provide a better reference? Something with a text? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 17:51, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Baptism?

Shouldn't this be named "Christianization of Poland"? It seems like an more established naming on WP. Renata (talk) 18:46, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Actually a quick count on GBooks suggests 2:1 for Baptism. So given the established name, I'd suggest a regular RM discussion if you'd like to solicit more comments; personally I an neutral (wiki use vs literature use, tough). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:26, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Baptism of Poland/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: ComputerJA (talk · contribs) 06:46, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Review

Hello. I'll be reviewing this article in the next few days and probably conclude by the end of the weekend. Sorry that this article has waited so much. Thanks for writing it—stay tuned! ComputerJA (talk) 06:46, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Will be looking forward to it. Please ping me on talk when you'd like me to review this page again. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:19, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Initial comments

Hi, I did some copyediting myself as I read along. Please check if I accidentally made any mistakes, and feel free to disagree with any of my changes. Below are some of my concerns that I couldn't figure out on my own. Thanks. ComputerJA (talk) 02:06, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

• The related term Christianization of Poland (Polish: chrystianizacja Polski) is also used on occasion to denote this event, although it has also a wider meaning, referring to the subsequent spread of Christianity throughout Poland – Is this information mentioned in the sections? The Christianization of Poland is mentioned in the background section but there are no references to its wider meaning, as mentioned in the intro.
  • You are right, it's not. I usually prefer for lead sections to avoid having unique information, but in such cases (discussion of alt names) I think it is permissible. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:56, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

• became established only around the 12th century – This implies that Christianity was only present in Pomerania for that century. Please change/remove the word 'only'.
  • I hope this is better? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:56, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

• The preparations for the begun with the Great Novena of 1957, which marked a nine years period of fast and prayer – The sentence does not sound right. I think it is missing something after "for the".
  • Yes, added "millennial celebrations". --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:56, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

• The baptismal mission began in the two major cities of Gniezno and Poznań, and then spread throughout the country – When was this? Does the source give an approximate date?
  • Nothing more precise than the date 966 for the baptism of Mieszko and his court. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:56, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

• Native clergy took three or four generations to emerge – Was this in Pomerania or in Poland in general?
  • Clarified. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:56, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

• the Party was framing the celebrations as a secular – What is the Party? Is it the communist state?
  • Yes, added link. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:56, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Sources review

Here are my concerns regarding the sources, thanks. ComputerJA (talk) 02:26, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

• After reading source 1, I think it is important to add Miezsko’s son Bolesław I Chrobry on the article. It does not have to be an extensive mention; what the source says about him is fine. Thanks.
  • Done. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:56, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

• After reading source 2, adding on how Dobrawa of Bohemia ordered the creation of some churches would be good, too. Preferably after "significant role in promoting Christianity in Poland [by … ]"
  • Should be more clear now. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:56, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

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4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

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• All concerns have been addressed. Thanks for the quick response. Congratulations! ComputerJA (talk) 19:29, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Doubravka baptized together with Mieszko?

The article says that Doubravka/Dobrawa was baptized at the same time as Mieszko. It also says that she was "a zealous Christian, played a significant role in promoting Christianity in Poland, and might have had significant influence on converting Mieszko himself". It seems contradictory to me (although it's theoretically possible that she was a catechumen before arriving in Poland) and also contrary to anyhting I've read on this subject before. So is her adult baptism in Poland really supported by sources? — Kpalion^(talk) 09:19, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

There's one more sentence that looks somewhat suspicious to me: "Christianity arrived on the Polish lands around the late 8th century, most likely around the time when the Vistulan tribe encountered the Christian rite in dealings with their neighbors, the Great Moravia (Bohemian) state." How could Chrstianity arrive to Poland from Great Moravia in the 8th century, if Great Moravia herself did not exist unti c. 830, and Saints Cyril and Methodius only arrived in Great Moravia in the 860s? — Kpalion^(talk) 09:59, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

You're most likely right on the first one, it's a mistake. On the second issue, someone probably meant late 800's, i.e. 9th century.Volunteer Marek (talk) 10:26, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Good observations. I cannot find in any sources any information on when she was baptized; you are right it is likely she was baptized earlier. I'll make the necessary corrections. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:41, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

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"The ceremony took place on the Holy Saturday of 14 April 966..."

Sources? There are no proofs, that ceremony took place on the Holy Saturday. Even year 966 is disputed... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.10.205.192 (talk) 20:12, 29 March 2016 (UTC)