Talk:Chronology of home stadiums for current National Football League teams

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The figures for the initial construction cost for almost all of these stadiums contradicts the figures on the pages for the individual stadiums. --Bshrode 03:47, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Since almost all of the cost info is wrong and going to have to be re-done anyways I got rid of the section completely--Coasttocoast 04:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

New stadiums[edit]

What about new stadiums that haven't been completed like the Lucas Oil stadium in Indianapolis?--aviper2k7 18:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Page Redone[edit]

I redid the entire listing as a table that lists all of the stadiums that the teams have used in the past as well as known future stadiums. The teams are seperated first by conference and then by division instead of one long list just listing the stadium and year it opened. Trying to make all of the league-specific stadium pages uniform in information and style. Pharos04 06:34, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

What about the numerous selected games the Packers played in Milwaukee, Wisconsin? From 1933-1994, the Packers played 2-3 regular season games each year in Milwaukee. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 07:52, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
I had thought about that and tried to figure out how to list it in conjunction with Lambeau Field or to list it separately which i will probably do. They played at like 2-3 different stadiums in Milwaukee though but i will work on it and list them later on today Pharos04 21:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Listing Giants Stadium as a former home stadium of the Saints[edit]

The following is a copy of my comment and its responses that I previously posted on Talk:New Orleans Saints: Zzyzx11 (Talk) 06:37, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, one-use sites should be regarded as "misc. use" and not officially home fields. That's what is listed on one of my primary references: Total Football: The Official Encyclopedia of the National Football League (ISBN 0062701746). Thus, I have not entered one-use sites in the "Home fields" list on the infobox and rather listed them separately in their relevant articles. For example:

Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:24, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

  • This is all well and good, but it doesn't make it correct to say that the Alamodome was the home stadium for half of the season. 3/8 is not half! I am pretty sure there is no wikipedia policy that advocates incorrect math to conform to a loose precedant about listing home stadiums. Besides, there's nothing wrong with correctly stating the number of games they played there and the number of games they played in Tiger stadium, even if they don't add up to 8, because the truth is they only had 7 "home" games.Wbbigtymer 05:51, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Along those same lines, I think it's a lot better to say that Tiger stadium was their home stadium for 4 games, instead of half of the season. Half of the season may be technically correct, but I think 4 games would be a lot more clear. Also, it's consistant with the 3 game listing for the Alamo Dome above. Jean15paul 19:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Per this discussion, I removed Giants Stadium as a home stadium of the New Orleans Saints from the table, but included mention of it in the list of games relocated to other sites. Also added the Mexico City game.--DaveOinSF 18:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


Flushing, Queens[edit]

I am just wondering why Shea is listed as Flushing, Queens (a neighborhood) as opposed to New York New York and for that matter Yankee Stadium as Bronx a borough (sp) of NY instead of New York New York Smith03 13:19, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I put it as Flushing and as The Bronx because it's a little more specific than just listing the large metropolis of New York. Also the specific listing of each stadium has Flushing and The Bronx listed as their address. We can see what other opinions there are on it but I think the specificness helps
I understand the point i just think we should follow the same standard for all the teams. Many citys have official neighorhoods the metrodome in Mpls is in "Downtown East". Perhaps listing shea as Queens at least that is the same as the bronxSmith03 03:24, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I grew up in Queens right next to Flushing. Hardly anyone outside of Manhattan says "New York, New York". In the outer boroughs, with the exception of Queens, they will use the name of the borough; you will see "Brooklyn, New York" both from people from Park Slope and from people from Bensonhurst. In Queens, however, no one says "Queens, New York", rather using the name of the neighborhood. Thus "Flushing, New York" or "Astoria, New York". Wikipedia should use the local convention.--DaveOinSF 07:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I use new york new york and live outside of Manhattan or do you mean no one in New York outside thoses from Manhattan use ny ny. I think we should use the same standarad for all cities. The list state the city it is located not neighborhood. People outside of NY may think Flushing is a suburb of NY and not part of the city of NY. Smith03 17:30, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
The standard should be the local convention. In this case, it is what the team itself lists as the address of its stadium. The Yankees say that Yankee Stadium is located in Bronx, New York. The Mets say Shea Stadium is located in Flushing, New York. And I would have to say you are definitely in the minority as far as New Yorkers go, identifying yourself as living in New York, New York though not living in Manhattan.--DaveOinSF 19:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't live in New York I live in Minnesota Bloomington to more specific I guess if we had "official" neighborhoods here I could list that as well. I disagree about the standard being the "local" standard. We should apply the same standard to all teams and all cities. Minneapolis has offical neigbhorhoods, Chicago and San Francisco do as well. Should we redo thoses stadiums than? To use Flushing, New York looks to me the same as saying Los Angeles, California. If one is not aware of the fact that Flushing is a neighborhood one might very well assume Flushing is the name of a city in the state of New YorkSmith03 21:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, lots of cities have neighborhoods. And it is true that in most parts of the world, people give their "official" address as the name of the city, not of the neighborhood. In New York City, in three of the boroughs, it is the convention to list one's address as Borough, New York. In Queens, it is the convention to list one's address as Neighborhood, New York. Having lived in Queens for much of my life, I can tell you that that's just the way it is, and I'm sorry that that bothers you. Here's the official website for John F. Kennedy International Airport, giving the Queens airport's address as Jamaica, New York. Where was the U.S. Open played until 1978? Why, in Queens in a stadium in Forest Hills, New York. Here's a list of a libraries in the City University of New York system. Notice that the ones in Manhattan give as their address New York, New York, the ones in the Bronx list it as Bronx, New York, in Brooklyn it's Brooklyn, New York, in Staten Island it's Staten Island, New York and in Queens it's either Long Island City, New York, Flushing, New York, Bayside, New York or Jamaica, New York. And, as I pointed out before, Yankee Stadium itself identifies as being in Bronx, New York and Shea Stadium identifies itself as being located in Flushing, New York.--DaveOinSF 00:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Some more - Adresses for all the branch libraries in the Queens Public Library system. Notice how none of them are listed as either New York, New York nor as Queens, New York. Here's the addresses for the branch libraries in the Brooklyn Public Library system. Notice how all of them are listed as Brooklyn, New York. Here's the list of branches for the New York Public Library system, which only includes Manhattan, Bronx and Staten Island. You'll have to click on the link for each individual branch, but notice how all of the ones in the Bronx give their address as Bronx, New York, all of the ones in Staten Island give their address as Staten Island, New York, and all of the ones in Manhattan give their address as New York, New York.--DaveOinSF 01:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Private sector! Here's all the Starbucks stores in Queens. Here's all the Starbucks stores in Brooklyn. Here's all the Starbucks stores in Manhattan.--DaveOinSF 01:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
It does not bother me I just think we should treat all the teams and cities the same way. I don't think stadiums in the city of New York should be given special treatment. it funny you provided all thoese examples of things in NYC that list thier address by neighborhoods, but people who would be looking for say the libraies in queens probably live in or near queens or a starbuck in the Bronxs not to many people who live Idaho are going to be searching for one near yankee stadium. Wikipedia is used by people all over the world not just people who live or who have lived in New York city and know about it neigborhoods and boroughs. Just one question what is the name of the city that Shea and Yankee Stadiums are located in ?Smith03 01:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
All stadiums are treated the same way. We have listed the location that each and every one of them says they are located in. If you want to say Shea or Yankee Stadium are in New York, New York, that would be inconsistent with everything else on the page.--DaveOinSF 01:44, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
How would that be inconsistent with everything else on the page? They are all listed by the name of the city they are in we do not put them in by their mailing addresses.02:49, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Once again, as I linked to above, the Mets say Shea Stadium is located in Flushing, NY and the Yankees say Yankee Stadium is located in Bronx, NY. If you were to replace that with New York, New York, you would be substituting your own decision over the decision of the stadium tenants themselves. And this would render the list inconsistent because in no other case would you be doing so.--DaveOinSF 02:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Once again the table on the wikipage in question states the city the stadium is located in . Also the page is about the football teams so the fact the yankees and mets use the bronxs and flushing on their webpages does not matter imo. For all we know back in the 50s 60s, 70s and 80s the giants and jets may very well have used NY NY on their letterheads. But since you used a baseball example so will I. The Florida Marlins play in Dolphin Stadium which is located in the city of Miami Gardens, yet on their webpage they always refer to it just as Miami (which is wrong) so by your logic if a team uses a city that is incorrect should we repeat that mistake? (not quite an apples to apples example I will grant you). Also "you would be substituting your own decision over the decision of the stadium tenants themselves." Not really they decided to play in stadiums that were built within the city of New York. I just trying to accurately reflect that fact. Smith03 03:50, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Not having lived in South Florida, I have no comment on whether it is legitimate to call Pro Player Stadium in Miami or not. I do know that Miami Gardens was not incorporated until just a few years ago, long after the stadium was built, and that probably has influenced people's interpretations and sense of place. In any case, I would the Dolphins/Marlins make the appropriate designation.--DaveOinSF 00:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
It is Dolphin Stadium not Pro player stadium."In any case, I would the Dolphins/Marlins make the appropriate designation" (Huh?). So it sounds like you think we should just put in whatever a team puts on their webpage even if it is factual wrong Dolphin Stadium is in Miami Gardens not Miami (in this case) Also the stadium website uses M Gardens. Again the table states the city the stadium is located in . Both Shea and Yankee are the city of New York. I just think we should apply the same standard to all the teams and all the cities.Smith03 00:45, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
As I said, I know nothing about South Florida. To me sounds like, since MG is pretty new, the whole designation is in flux. Didn't even realize stadia had "official sites". In any case, NYC Sports Commission also lists Shea as Flushing, NY and lists Yankee Stadium as Bronx, NY.--DaveOinSF 01:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Good for them, however the table list the city the stadium is located in. Unless something has changed in the last few days Bronx and Flushing are not cities Smith03 01:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Seahwks[edit]

Seattle used Husky stadium for part of the 1994 season while the kingdome was being fixed after part of teh ceiling came downSmith03 03:24, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

1959 Chicago Cardinals in Bloomington MN[edit]

The Cards play 2 of their 6 home games at Met Stadium in Bloomington MN. They played the Giants and Eagles (I believe one of the games was on 11-22-59). The Cards might have been thinking of moving to the Mpls area and using them as test games. I don't know if people want to see this as a partime home stadium as they played 1/3 of their home games there or as Games relocated to other stadiums . Smith03 01:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Surface[edit]

I think the sufaces should be added with surface changes over time like giants stadium went from grass to astroturf to grass to field turf. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.157.188.124 (talk) 19:14, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

Other Tenants[edit]

We should add other tenants over time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.157.188.124 (talk) 19:22, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

2005 Saints[edit]

The "Misc" stadium section is for "a list of venues that hosted a specific regular season or post-season game instead of the home team's stadium". As such, it's meant for one-off venue changes of which the Giants Stadium game is one example, the 1989 49ers game at Stanford is another. It is not for temporary changes of the team's home stadium, of which the Saints' use of the Alamodome and LSU stadium are good examples, but so are the Seahawks' use of Husky Stadium in 1994, the Packers' use of stadiums in Milwaukee for several decades, etc. Such home stadiums are included in the list of stadiums listed above.--DaveOinSF 16:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Surfaces[edit]

While the addition of the playing surfaces is interesting, this has the potential of being either very inaccurate or very cumbersome. The above comment about Giants Stadium is a good example - the field's playing surface has changed several times over the period of time that the Giants and Jets have played there. --DaveOinSF 06:51, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree those 2 pages should be merged onto here Willy turner 22:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Would it be possible to have some sort of abbreviations or code for the various artificial surfaces, with a key at the bottom? Some of the names are excessively long for such a narrow column, and it makes the table as a whole look bad.    → Michael J    01:49, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Some Suggestions[edit]

As well as the current table which includes former grounds and is arranged according to the conference the teams in; there should be another table of just current stadiums ordered by capacity. The current list has lots of good information, but doesnt let people quickly see which are the current stadiums, and how big they are relative to each other. Before I discovered this page existed I was going to make a new page, but now i think i should add it to this page. What does anybody think? I wanted to check what people thought before doing it. Also if you think its a good idea should i put it above or below the current table? Willy turner 22:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Well I did it Willy turner 00:36, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Rogers Centre[edit]

According to the media in Toronto and Buffalo, the Buffalo Bills will play one home game per year at the Rogers Centre beginning on December 2008. Please add the Rogers Centre to the list of NFL stadiums? Johnny Au (talk) 23:49, 1 February 2008 (UTC)