Talk:Church of Norway
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- 1 Untitled
- 2 Norwegian Fishermans’ Church, Liverpool
- 3 Attendance
- 4 Credo in communion-part of lityrgy?
- 5 Category:National churches vs. Category:State churches (Christian)
- 6 Category:State churches (Christian) vs. Category:Church of Norway
- 7 Dissent from conservatives
- 8 Church has new name and inclusion
- 9 Proposed separation of church and state
- 10 Compared to other Nordic state churches
Is it the state church? If so that needs to be said. FearÉIREANN 19:22 14 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- I think it is.
Norwegian Fishermans’ Church, Liverpool
The article claims 10% of the population attends services on a regular basis, whereas the article it claims as source only has 3%.
I presume the source is correct, and changed the percentage in the article.--Sparviere 01:25, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Credo in communion-part of lityrgy?
I'm sitting here with the CoN's book of worship (Gudstjenesteboken), and I can't find any opening for the credo in the liturgy of communion. There is: Sursum corda, Prefatio, Sanctus, a prayer, Our lord, Verba, (room for second part of "a prayer"), Agnus Dei. No room for credo. There are neither any Credo in the test-liturgy (http://kirken.no/?event=showArticle&FamID=35648) from NFG ("Nemd For Gudstjenesteliv", = the Liturgy-Reform). Credo comes in the baptismal part, or after the second reading (according to the book from -86), or after the sermon (according to some test-liturgies from NFG). I will therefore correct the liturgy-part. --A-moll9 (talk) 15:27, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Dissent from conservatives
The article should really consider looking into whether there has ever been any doctrinal dissent from conservatives within the Church of Norway, who might feel alienated about decisions surrounding the ordination of women or the blessing of same-sex marriages. It is possible to imagine that if this dissent were not healed, many of these conservatives would consider forming their own ecclesial community, which might be tempted to reunite with the Catholic Church, such as recently seen with the Traditional Anglican Communion. ADM (talk) 15:59, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Church has new name and inclusion
This article should be completely reworked. The name of the church has changed, and its Lutheran exclusivity was changed by legislation in May 2012. It is still the state church is some ways (payment of clergy and property, schools, organizations), so to say it is not the state church has only limited veracity.
- What do you mean by Lutheran exclusivity? The church is still Evangelical Lutheran, as established by the Constitution. Per Weo (talk) 09:35, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Proposed separation of church and state
The idea that church and state should be separated is only supported by the small Socialist Left Party. The government Labour Party and Centre Party have explicitly decided against this proposal and decided to retain the state church ("the state church is retained. Neither the Labour Party nor the Centre Party had a mandate to agree to separate church and state", Trond Giske, Minister of Church Affairs, ). However, all parties voted for the 2008 compromise (finally implemented from 2012), which meant that the state church was retained, as pointed out, for example, by the state Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation and the Norwegian Humanist Association. The fact that the wording "official religion of the State" is replaced by "Norway's people's church" in the constitution doesn't affect the church's status as a state church (it has never been designated "state church" in the constitution, and "Norway's people's church" obviously means state church no less than the previous wording), and what makes it a state church isn't the wording in the constitution, but rather the fact that all clergy are state employees and the church fully state-funded, the Church of Norway being legally privileged by having its own church law and a special status in the constitution, the Church of Norway being integrated in the state administration, an obligation for the King to be a member, and much more. Per Weo (talk) 17:29, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
For a more in-depth article on the state church system of Norway from 2012 onwards, see http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Den_nye_statskirkeordningen_(2008) (The New State Church System), the name of the agreement reached by all Storting parties and implemented in 2012. Per Weo (talk) 17:52, 14 July 2012 (UTC) there isnt a state church in norway anymore by order of the government.
Compared to other Nordic state churches
The Constitution of Norway now (from 2012) says that "den norske kirke, en evangelisk-luthersk Kirke, forbliver Norges Folkekirke og understøttes som saadan af Staten" ("the Church of Norway, an Evangelical-Lutheran church, remains Norway's people's church, and is supported by the State as such"). The provision is directly based on the provisions for the Danish and Iceland state churches (Church of Denmark and Church of Iceland respectively) in the Danish and Icelandic constitutions. The term people's church (folkekirke) was introduced with the Danish 1848 constitution, where § 4 says that "Den evangelisk-lutherske kirke er den danske folkekirke og understøttes som sådan af staten" ("The Evangelical-Lutheran Church is the Danish people's church and is supported as such by the State"). The Icelandic constitution contains a similar provision based on the Danish constitution. Per Weo (talk) 09:33, 15 July 2012 (UTC)