Talk:Circassian language

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Circassian = Adyghe[edit]

The Kabardian people and the Ubykh people aren't closely related to the Adyghe people, they are one of the Adyghe people. the Adyghe people are the twelve Adyghe tribes : Abadzekh, Besleney, Bzhedug, Yegeruqay, Zhaney, Kabarday, Mamheg, Natukhai, Temirgoy, Ubykh, Shapsug and Hatuqwai. They all speak the Adyghe language (Adygabze) each with its own dialect. They are all Adyghe people and see themselves as Adyghe too and not something different. Circassian or Cherkess is a name given by other people to the Adyghe people. --212.179.238.18 23 April 2012 (UTC). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.179.238.18 (talk)

That's pretty much what we say. — kwami (talk) 11:53, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
I think this article should be merged with the Adyghe language article or at least the name of the Adyghe language article should be changed to West Circassian or West Adyghe. The name Circassian is like a nickname for the Adyghe people (Circassian = Adyghe). I can't understand why people keep disagreeing with the fact that the Kabardian language is an Adyghe dialect just like the Shapsug language, Bzhedug language, etc. And I think it's important to say that currently, there is no official Adyghe language with a specific rules that apply to all Adyghe dialects, every dialect has its differences. Let's take this website for example that alphabet's pronunciations are only apply to specific Adyghe dialects and not all of them.--Adamsa123 (talk) 15:01, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

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I moved this article to Circassian languages. Kwamikagami moved it back to "Circassian language".

To the best of my knowledge, "Circassian language" can refer to two things:

  1. All the varieties in this group from the Black Sea to Kabardino-Balkaria. This could probably called a macrolanguage - a group of languages that are different, but whose speakers consider them the same. I've never seen it specifically referred to as a "macrolanguage" in any source, however.
  2. The Kabardian language in the context of Karachay-Cherkessia. In fact, it may be a better name for it in general.

The text of this article is definitely about the first sense, and the proper term for that would be "Circassian languages", because they are separate languages in the same group. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 07:23, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

As you noted, it could be called a "macrolanguage". A move would be like moving German to the plural because it isn't really one language. — kwami (talk) 07:44, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
German is not really a macrolanguage in this sense. It has one well-defined standard (with minor differences by country), and a lot of people actually speak it.
Arabic is a macrolanguage, but it also has one well-defined standard, so it's OK to have an article about a singular Arabic language.
Circassian doesn't have one standard, neither literary nor spoken. It has two literary standards and probably more spoken varieties. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 08:24, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
That's really rather irrelevant. Circassian is more a single language than either Arabic or German. Or take Chinese, which has several standards and is more diverse than Circassian, but is still called a language. Or Malay. — kwami (talk) 09:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

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Can I add to this article the alphabet of both the Adyghe language and Kabardian language, and the differences between both languages, like what they did in the Turkey wikipedia [here] and Adyghe wikipedia [here].--Adamʂa123 (talk) 00:46, 24 May 2013 (UTC)