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Explain use of average "low" and average "high" temperatures in climate charts[edit]

It would be very helpful if this article explained the climate charts that appear throughout the site in articles for cities. These charts display average "high" and average "low" temperatures in the city for each month of the year. However, it is not clear exactly what the numbers on the charts represent (presumably, the numbers are the highest temperature on each day of the month over the last several instances of the month). There is also no explanation for why the average "high" and average "low" temperatures are relevant for a person curious about the climate in a city; how related are these temperatures to the temperature during the course of a day in general? Why are average temperatures for each month not reported instead of, or in addition to, the average high and low temperatures? I think this article would be a sensible place for this discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.211.101.117 (talk) 15:27, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Article structure[edit]

In its present form most of the article is devoted to surveying the Koeppen climate types. I propose restructuring the article in summary style, with sections on paleo, climate modeling, classification methods, applied climatology, etc. that summarize those aspects of climatology and include pointers to other articles. This would be a major rewrite, so I'd like to ask others for opinions before bashing ahead. Raymond Arritt (talk) 18:03, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm good with restructuring. The only reason it went into Koeppen detail is because of a suggestion on the climate talk page. Sometimes when an article gets proposed for GA or FA, restructuring is necessary. I went ahead and summarized the Koeppen section. Thegreatdr (talk) 05:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to have to disagree on applied climatology. That would better lie within the climatology article, no? Thegreatdr (talk) 21:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

GA Failure[edit]

Per these last two sections, I'm failing it for now. The too-short intro tag is still there, and as Raymond points out far too much of the article is devoted to reiterating the Köppen system, which already has an article of its own. Otherwise, it's nicely illustrated and referenced and would probably make an excellent GA once those issues are addressed. Daniel Case (talk) 18:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Have significantly shortened the Koeppen classification section, and summarized it per the suggestions made previously. Thegreatdr (talk) 05:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Good work on that. Having trimmed it down a bit, we can now add mentions of other approaches to climate classification such as Thornthwaite's classification and air mass classifications. Raymond Arritt (talk) 05:48, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I've made a first stab at Thornthwaite, which I was previously completely unfamiliar with when you left your talk page message. Thegreatdr (talk) 06:52, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Air mass types[edit]

I'm not sure what to do about air mass types. Do we just want to mention origins of the different types? I'm having a hard time thinking about how to discuss how they affect regional climates without heavy discussion of the weather features associated with their movement. Jason Patton (talk) 19:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm guessing that's what Raymond meant...brief discussions on characteristics cP, mT, etcetera airmasses. Thegreatdr (talk) 21:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
That's part of it, but for the purposes of this article people sometimes define climate zones or the climatology of a place by the relative prevalence of different air masses. Some examples: [1] (see esp. the extended abstract), [2] (see e.g., figs 5 and 6 in the full PDF), [3] (a nice application in the context of climate change; see esp figs 4-6). Raymond Arritt (talk) 22:39, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I've added the air mass types. This section would be just as much at home in weather fronts as this article. It's a very subjective (perhaps the most subjective) classification; I'm surprised people are trying to use it to define climate zones. Thegreatdr (talk) 04:25, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, synoptic classifications are inherently subjective. (When we did this for a paper we had two different people determine the classes independently, then a third person would settle any discrepancies.) But the approach is used often enough we should at least discuss it briefly here. Raymond Arritt (talk) 04:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
How does that look? Thegreatdr (talk) 21:08, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Nice! The graphic of air mass source regions is really good.
BTW I'll need to lay low for a while. There's a guy who's got it in for editors who follow the scientific consensus on global warming. Objectively he doesn't have a leg to stand on, but unfortunately he's well-connected in Wikipolitics so I'd rather stay out of his way until things become clearer. You guys are doing great without me! Raymond Arritt (talk) 05:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Your pointers were quite useful. If we can get this to GA, climatology will likely be worked on within the near future, also for a GA attempt. Thegreatdr (talk) 00:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

GS Success[edit]

Congratulations everyone, especially Thegreatdr! Anyone interested in pushing Climate change back to GA level? It has been delisted recently for minor issues. Splette :) How's my driving? 00:26, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Climate --what is it??...x[edit]

cliamte is the average weather in a coutry or contintent....

eg in england the climate is quite cold and can be very windy where as in florida/america the average weather is quite warm and has a high humidity —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.2.28.217 (talk) 16:12, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Contradicting Information[edit]

Can someone reconcile the article, which shows modern temperatures rising, with this article of a reputable source. Or discredit the latter. [4] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.39.44 (talk) 10:32, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

There is no contradiction, as a trend over 11 years is not generally considered climate, as per the beginning of the article that states the generally accepted period of observation is 30 years. --98.223.36.163 (talk) 01:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC) Valin11786

yeah man —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.231.186.40 (talk) 19:51, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Archiving[edit]

Does anyone object to me setting up automatic archiving for this page using MiszaBot? Unless otherwise agreed, I would set it to archive threads that have been inactive for 30 days and keep ten threads.--Oneiros (talk) 13:50, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done--Oneiros (talk) 21:22, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Oops[edit]

I made a vandalism revert that had the effect of restoring vandalism rather than deleting it. This was due to my misreading the diff. --Tasty monster 07:43, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

the temperature is high with low rainfall in summer rain.this foud in the lower plate basin in the south east. the costal climate is found in southrn chila with moderate temperature ad throughout the year the mediterranean type of climate with hot dry summers and mild winters are experinced in central chil the winters are wet here becausein that season along with the sun the wind belts move northwards . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.130.11.200 (talk) 12:56, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

First map--what classification system is it?[edit]

It would be nice if the caption of the first climate map, File:ClimateMap World.png, shown prominently at the top of the page, said what Climate classification system it's using. It does not seem to be Köppen. The types have names similar to the Strahler system, but it does not look much like the Strahler map I have in a textbook here. The map's page does not say what system is being used. The present caption, "Worldwide Climate Classifications", leaves a bit to be desired. The map shows only one classification scheme, so "classifications" is wrong. I'd change the caption is "Worldwide Climate Classification", but that would only make the lack of info about what classification is it more obvious. Ideas? Pfly (talk) 20:31, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Describing climate[edit]

What's the normal or most accepted way to describe the climate of a country. For example, what term would you use to describe the climate of France or the Netherlands? Sorry, probably a really simplistic question.. --HighKing (talk) 13:15, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

you have to know the difference between climate and weatherTwonumbers (talk) 13:03, 20 June 2011 (UTC)