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- You should remove anything you know to be false. I just translated the thing without fact checking. BrianSmithson 02:57, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
- I was too rash. Not false. More misleading: if someone tried to build an article Order of Cluny that was separate from Abbey of Cluny, they'd soon be in a tangle. All Cluniac houses were priories dependent on the abbey. The rule was a revision of Benedict's rule, but the "Cluniac order" is a phrase too easily cast about that leads to non-historical expectations. --Wetman 03:25, 10 August 2005 (UTC).
- Cluniac nunneries: Can someone provide some details, with a less anachronistic assessment than the present text: "Partly due to the order's opulence the Cluniac nunneries were not seen as being particularly cost-effective which may also reflected in the order's apparent lack of interest in founding many new houses for women." I know nothing of the Cluniac nunneries. Governed by prioresses? --Wetman 22:21, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
--- Is there a list of abbots anywhere that we could use? Adam Bishop 00:09, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
The last paragraph of the section on 'organization' begins with a run-on sentence and makes little sense. I paste it here:
The customs of Cluny also represented a shift from the earlier ideal of a Benedictine monastery as an agriculturally self-sufficient unit similar to the contemporary villa that survived in the more Romanized parts of Europe and the manor of more feudal parts, in which each member did physical labor as well as offering prayer.
Please, someone with resources or knowledge about Cluny, clarify this. Whoistheroach 21:55, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- Though it may tire the lip muscles, the above sentence is not a run-on senence, this is a run-on sentence. --Wetman 03:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
There are two distinct articles. The second and shorter one, which was apparently recently vandalized, is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluniac_reforms. It should be considered and merged into the larger article.
DeVeritate 05:13, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Instead of merging, the article on the Cluniac reforms could be expanded. What was there to be reformed? Richard Erdoes, in his book A.D. 1000, has several pages of sometimes shocking monastic behavior. I would like to see the state of monasticism and the process of reform more thoroughly discussed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 22:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Section Cluniac Houses in Britain:
- "The head of their order was the Abbot at Cluny. All English Cluniacs were bound to cross to France to Cluny to consult or be consulted unless the Abbot chose to come to England. The abbot came to England five times in the 13th century, and only twice in the 14th."
Is it the same abbot who came five times in the 13th & only twice in the 14th?