Talk:Cnut the Great

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Ancestry[edit]

I have removed the following Ancestry section:

Ruler of the waves[edit]

The first written account of the Canute episode was in Historia Anglorum by chronicler Henry of Huntingdon, who lived within 60 years of the death of Canute (1035 AD), and not Henry of Huntingdon much later. 2001:470:28:2B1:213:E8FF:FE9D:2E79 (talk) 15:14, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

The article correctly states that Henry of Huntingdon wrote in the 12th century - the first version of his chronicle was completed about 1130. Dudley Miles (talk) 18:18, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Ulfberht sword?[edit]

I recently saw a documentary on YouTube 'RIDDLE OF STEEL: Secrets of the Viking Sword' that's all about the enigma of a Viking sword called the Ulfberht, worn only by the warrior elite. It struck me that one example shown (first @ 01:51 on the film) is the exact same as the sword we see in the illustration shown int he Relations with the Church section. Unfortunately this is not entirely conclusive and even though one might bet his life this is an Ulfberht we see here, the Wikipedia does not accept such points of fact without the presentation of a reliable source. This information is thusly best kept to the discussion area for now.

Does anyone know of any proofs that may be found for this? If anyone sees, or knows of the above documentary, maybe they will be able to inform on the efficacy of the sword Cnut bears in this somewhat famous image being practically identical to the artefact? I might suggest the tri-lobe design of the pommel supports the idea that these swords were the work of a captured Frankish blacksmith (and vicer verser), or in some way inspired by the Franks after the fact that there is the inclusion of Christian insignia in the form of crosses? I understand though these kinds of pommels may have been a common form so it draws some possible doubt over this supposition, or is this not the case? I wonder, too, if the example shown may even be the very same sword Cnut wears at his side. Surely if it was an Ulfberht it should have been buried with him as a prize posession even of a king, and thusly well preserved, then looted and resurfaced in someone's collection and sold to a museum?

I doubt this has been written about although Viking weaponry enthusiasts will surely find this possible Ulfberht depiction of interest. Is there someone who may want to write an article (even a book) about this? Some scholar with access to the actual artefact, and archives may be able to arrive at this same conclusion. Even though I will myself look into this I am not a professional achademic and will find it hard to gather evidence myself.


WikieWikieWikie (talk) 16:04, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Drowned daughter[edit]

The section on Marriage and children notes an unnamed daughter "who drowned in Bosham Creek in 1020". The source given is a local history page on bosham.org, but (with all due respect to Bosham) I don't think a village website mentioning a local tradition counts as a reliable source in this context. I have never seen any references to this daughter in any scholarly literature I have read, and it doesn't make sense chronologically either, as she is supposed to have been born in 1012, but Cnut only came to England and was married to Ælfgifu in 1013. It seems most likely that this is a local belief that appeared in the late 19th century, but doesn't have any real historical basis. I think it should be removed both here and on Ælfgifu of Northampton, unless anyone has other evidence that she existed. --Lanfranc (talk) 13:28, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Merger proposal...[edit]

...as per template.

Oppose - The two women are much more than sufficiently established in literature on their own accounts, so there should be separate articles about them. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:19, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

you have a point, but then this article shouldn't go on forever about them, it should just state that the mother is unknown and link to these pages for more information. --dab (𒁳) 11:55, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

epithet inn ríki[edit]

The claim that Cnut was known as Knútr inn ríki in Old Norse is unreferenced.

He is sometimes referred to as Knútr inn ríki Sveinsson in literature ([1][2][3]) and some of the references I just pasted seem to imply that he is so called in some of the poems about him. But I now took the pains to check out Liðsmannaflokkr, the poem referred to in the first reference, and it turns out that he isn't called ríkr at all, the adjective ríkr does occur, but it is part of a kenning, "mighty tree of the ring support". Now it would be silly to claim that Cnut was known as "Cnut, the mighty tree of the ring support" in Old Norse. The third link above seems to explicitly refer to the epithet by glossing it, implying that it is used by Þórarinn loftunga; but the reference given makes clear that again, Knut is not referred to as inn ríki by Þórarinn.

Perhaps he is referred to as Knútr inn ríki elsewhere, but I am now tired of trying to verify claims inserted by other people. Could whoever inserted the "native name" please just state where it was taken from. --dab (𒁳) 11:55, 19 April 2014 (UTC)