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The external links added are ICF which is the governing body for professioanl coaching and choice is the profession's magazine.Globalgarry 03:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
- 1 Finding sources
- 2 Merge
- 3 Categorisation
- 4 Differentiating sports coaching from other coaching categories
- 5 Merge info from ADHD coaching
- 6 Copyright problem removed
- 7 Unitive coaching
- 8 Please do not merge
- 9 Business Coaching NPOV and Notability
- 10 having psycholocic knowledge but
- 11 Independent discipline
- 12 career coaching
- 13 "reads like a news release"
- 14 Life Coaching Section
- 15 Translations
- 16 Tidy up
- 17 Working on Coaching
- 18 Coachee
- 19 Origins & Naming
- 20 Removal of 'Project Coaching'
- 21 Removal of 'Victimization Coaching'
- 22 Addition of Citation under Definition of Coaching
Finding Sources is the number one priority for this article.
Books, Scholarly Articles, News Articles, etc. would be nice. I think this is a proper place for discussing possible sources both for sources and the sources themselves.
- 4870 results in google books for [coaching] 787 of which full-view
- 234,000 resulsts in google scholar for [coaching]
- 1,250,000 results in google news (all dates)
ChrisThomasUK 08:53, 22 May 2010 (UTC) There is good quality independent research around the usage and effectiveness of coaching in businesses at the UK Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD) website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrisThomasUK (talk • contribs)
Coaching at work magazine is a good source of information regarding coaching and was started by the cipd until a buy-out a couple of years ago saw it going independant. It is not affiliated with any one coaching body and would be a useful resource for most coaches and mentors, including business, performance and life coaches. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raypfree (talk • contribs) 20:08, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Why the merging of articles in to this one? I can't see any discussion of this anywhere, so I'll look around some more and if none is to be found I'll start reverting. Mathmo Talk 08:10, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- The discussion can be found at Talk:Life & Personal Development Coaching#Merger proposal. Life & Personal Development coaching itself was successfully merged into Life Coaching in December 2007 as is shown here. However, it appears that consesus was not achieved for merging the various types of coaching into Coaching, as the only comments leading up to the merge are objections to the merge. In addition, significant information from the old Life coaching article seems to have been lost during its merge into Coaching. (The same may be true for the other merges; I haven't checked.) For these reasons, I certainly support reviving the old Life coaching article, and maybe the other coaching articles as well. Riick (talk) 21:05, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah man, the "Dating Coaching" section is mostly swiped from the main article, dating coach. This duplicate material should be removed and cleaned up, but I'm certainly not going to do it. 23:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk)
Why a "dating coach" entry? - Why not something like "coaches help clients acquire and refine life and professional skills, ranging from dating to getting tenure to getting a promotion or launching a business"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 23:12, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Having been coached & just taken a coaching certification course as well, I strongly suggest breaking this article up. Coaching is something that is generic in nature; it can be applied to almost any activity in which someone wants to get results or change in. Consequently, this article will bloat and become unmaintainable as more people want [pick your type of coaching here] to be added. Coaching is a growing trend worldwide, so this WILL happen. As that goes on, it is neither possible nor ethical to claim some applications of coaching belong here and others do not, or more than others (say, career coaching vs. personal coaching vs coaching on growing carrots). Furthermore, some applications are more close to another (personal coaching and life coaching) whereas some are more distinct (financial coaching vs. coaching on growing carrots). Let all flowers flourish, but not on the same page; applications of coaching to various domains or activities should all have their own pages with information specific to each application. Petri (talk) 12:30, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
I query this topic being under Psychology - many successful coaches have no formal and only a little informal knowledge of psychology, and coaching as defined pays scant attention to the past history of a client. A personal development category would be far more appropriate in my view. ChrisThomasUK 09:01, 22 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrisThomasUK (talk • contribs)
Because the origin of coaching comes from psychology and after a significant period of time has then expanded to encompass other areas such as career coaching (counselling), workplace business coaching, executive coaching etc. The theories, activites, questions etc are still heavily entrenched in psychology theories and principles etc.
In addition, only a subset of psychotherapies focus on the past. Behavioral, cognitive behavioral, and third-wave (mindfulness-based) therapies such as Acceptance and Commitment Therapy often are present-focused, and counseling psychologists who deal with work-life or school issues are also clearly present-focused. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamatoa (talk • contribs) 17:26, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Differentiating sports coaching from other coaching categories
Sports coaching needs a separate heading as it is different to others forms of coaching such as business coaching, relationship coaching and conflict coaching that are subdivisions of life coaching. --Vince (talk) 09:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Coaching seems to have become a catch all term that describes a relationship between someone who wants some goal and someone who claims they have the ability to assist them to achieve it. Seems to be a way to sell "self help" on a one to one basis rather than by writing a book. Useful for someone without any particular expertise to pass themselves of as having a generic ill defined expertise. I think an encyclopedia should simply report this as a cultural/historical phenomena rather than as in this article a solid body of knowledge.Alnpete (talk) 14:49, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Coaching - being a coach means you are the 'vehicle' to enable a person (coachee) to achieve their goal. You are assisting them on their journey. Where the coachee has all the solutions and options available to them and they know how to get where they need to go to achieve their goal and you are the 'vehicle' through the right questioning techniques and activities to get the coachee to realise that they have/need to do to plan and define a way forward to achieve them. This is a definition in the simplest terms. What are you guys doing? There are many hihgly regarded academic papers and books written on this. There are coaching models like the GROW model which was written by Sir John Whitmore many decades ago which has been researched, documented and highly evaluated for its validity. I'm not touching this document as I know nothing about technology but those of you who do...it takes next to nothing to fix this article and make it valid.
There is also coaching of sport coaches: http://www.sailing.org/training/nlstp/sport_coaching_framework user:suwa 05:07, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Merge info from ADHD coaching
ADHD coaching is different than life coaching because the skill and knowledge base re: ADHD is unique. In addition, people with ADHD who are seeking support do not look for a life coach they look for an ADHD coach. By moving it, you are making it so people can't find resources. Freerangemom (talk) 00:17, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
In the context of an encyclopedia, it makes no more sense to have a separate article for "ADHD coaching" than to separate "science teachers" from "French teachers" instead of having an entry for "teachers." I don't even know if it makes sense to categorize it as a "type" of coaching. "Professors" and "kindergarten teachers" are types of teachers. It would be silly to list every possible subject a teacher might cover as a type of teaching. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 23:10, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Support Merge I agree with Flowanda. It is ridiculous in my opinion to have an article on ADHD coaching. The sheer number of "unique" problems that coaching lends itself to means little difference in the coaching itself. I agree that it fits better as a subsection of Types of Coaching.--Kiyarrlls-talk 19:50, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Strongly Oppose Life coaching does not deal with psychological issues, but this is one of the major problems that ADHD coaching has to deal with, as well as the neurological problems that cause other problems for someone with the set of learning problems caused by ADD. The techniques of normal coaching are not of much value to someone with ADD/ADHD. Contrary wise, ADHD/ADD coaching would not be especially useful to a "normal".htom (talk) 04:09, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I truly wish you hadn't done that. What you've said not only needs references, but is wrong. I suggest that you revert the merge and put the original article back. htom (talk) 20:26, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Copyright problem removed
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The section on Unitive coaching was removed because the information was not sourced. Although some of the other subsections are also unsourced, the terms and definitions are perhaps more recognizable. Before removing the section, I did try to find reliable sources that could be used to verify the information, but could find little more than articles submitted to free article directories. If there are sources that can help independently verify unitive ooaching, please list them here or provide other editors with info so we can help with sourcing. Flowanda | Talk 23:02, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
- Nice work! I doubt there are any sources, the other types of coaching are similarly bereft.--Kiyarrlls-talk 16:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Please do not merge
It is very difficult for add/adhd patients to find information, as it is. This topic is in need of more information, which I could help provide if I wen't so busy at this time. A suggestion for sources is the website of adult ADD sufferes at addforum.com. It's very busy and collectively, the people there have likely read and own many books to site sources. Having ADD, I can't remember sources, but can verify some. I know my friends on the forum could also assist. I will try to get some to support this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 08:05, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Business Coaching NPOV and Notability
Even though no specific service provider or company is mentioned, this section is infected with words and phrases that basically make a mockery out of the principle of NPOV. It uses the same language that one would find in an advertisement for a business coaching service. Here is just one example: "Coaching is an excellent way to attain a certain work behavior that will improve leadership, employee accountability, teamwork, sales, communication, goal setting, strategic planning and more". I did a Google search for that very phrase and I found it at these URLs:
…and over 84,000 . Now either this text that is currently in the Wikipedia article is so excellently fabulous, that everybody who is offering business coaching services (most of them being in Australia, it would appear from the URLs), wants to copy it, or, it is far more likely, somebody who added this silly section to this article copied it off of his own company's web site for SEO purposes. Really, there are no sources about this topic online other than the web sites of people who offer such services. This is the sort of thing that is banned at Wikipedia. Given that it is not clear exactly what business coaches do, and that there are no positive testimonials to what they do anywhere outside of the web sites of the service providers themselves, this section might work best if it was merged to an article about business scams or something similar, but only after it has been extensively re-written. One thing is certain, however, material such as this has no business being on Wikipedia.—A lizard (talk) 21:10, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Oppose - Business Coaching may have enough Notability -
The one above was a web search; a Google Scholar search however, returns 1,100 results; 75 of them have "business coaching" in the title. There is a scholarly journal on business coaching, "The journal of evidence based coaching". I do agree however, that that section needs to be rewritten to ensure NPOV, provide reliable references and describe the various kinds of business coaching. josei (talk) 23:36, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
the journal of evidence based coaching does not exist. i agree that Buz/life coaching should be considered a scam but it is notable as are ponzi schemes and that topic has an article but it is made clear that it is a scam. The fact that many fall for a scam or that many profit from it does not make it less of a scam.Alnpete (talk) 09:23, 4 March 2011 (UTC)Alnpete (talk) 09:24, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
having psycholocic knowledge but
The claims to coaching now being an independent discipline are arguable. While it is true that there has been an explosion in coaching, in the training of coaches by universities and training organisations, in coaching as a form of soft training within organisations, etc, there remains a bedrock of coaching on which this is built that began 150 years ago. I have tried to rebalance the article to make this fact apparent to a casual reader and to provide a broader description that accomodates the many approaches to and venues of coaching. However the article needs a major cleanup to eliminate the opinions currently expressed, or to identify them as such, and to make the article more of a compilation of verifiable facts rather than a collection of unattributed theoretical positions. I have made a start which hopefully serves to help the reader gain an overview and then contextualise the rest of the article. LookingGlass (talk) 17:21, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
"reads like a news release"
"This article or section reads like a news release, or is otherwise written in an overly promotional tone." On the life coaching section, this warning exists. I do not understand as it seems ok to me. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable can help. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 17:15, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I disagree the article is clearly promotional towards the life/business coach industry. I think it would be good if an historian of business could describe the development of this industry.Alnpete (talk) 09:14, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Life Coaching Section
I just read the section on Life Coaching, and the notice prior to the material, which states that it is in a promotional tone. Actually, it is written in the tone of a job description from the occupational database titles. I have done much career searching and have a degree in marketing communications, and I can attest that this section on life coaching, at least, is _not_ overly promotional.
The life coaching section was pretty terrible. It ignored many of the pertinent issues that could get a life coach in big trouble, particularly the efforts of some states to warn practitioners against acting as unlicensed psychologists or counselors. This info was added in and relevant state statutes or memos were cited (CO, HI, & TN). Info about the legal circumstances for life coaches in additional states welcome.
The various translations for this page are horrifically different. Someone needs to work through them for sake of homogeneity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 11:25, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Just had a crack at cleaning this article up a bit - I'm amazed it's managed to stay this bad for so long! I've fixed some links, removed some year-old uncited material, added a bunch of citation tags for other unsourced stuff, tried to adjust the style so it reads less like a personal essay and changed the section order around a bit (although I still think Sports Coaching should be higher in the listings).
Among other deletions, I plucked out this chunk of text:
Although the role of coach has changed over time, some examples of research papers on business coaching show that between the late 1930s and the late 1960s, some forms of internal coaching in organizations were already informally present; i.e. managers (or supervisors) also acted as coaches to their staff (cf. Zeus & Skiffington, 2002; Grant, 2003a; 2006). Gorby (1937)
Although sources are cited, without a bibliography I can't easily work out what the refs are. if someone knows or can find out, this could be added back in.
I removed a paragraph from the introduction because it seemed specific to the origin of coaching in sports and the bulk of the article doesn't pertain to sports. I moved it to the origin section, hoping it would add to the organization of the article, if not the quality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onewheeljoe (talk • contribs) 20:36, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Working on Coaching
I will be editing/adding new material to the coaching page as part of my History & Systems of Psychology course at Shenandoah University, in conjunction with the APS Wikipedia Initiative. Here are four of the references that I will be working with.
- Wade, Shari; Oberjohn, K.; Conaway, K.; Osinska, P.; Bangert, L. (12/11). "Live Coaching of parenting skills using the internet: implications for clinical practice.". Professional Psychology: Research and Practice 42 (6): 487–493. doi:10.1037/a0025222. Retrieved 21 February 2012. Check date values in:
- Newton, Stephen; Algozzine, B.; Algozzine, K.; Horner, R.; Todd, A. (7/11). "Building local capacity for training and coaching data-based problem solving with Positive Behavior Intervention and Support Teams.". Journal of Applied School Psychology 27 (3): 228–245. doi:10.1080/15377903.2011.590104. Retrieved 21 February 2012. Check date values in:
- Coultas, Chris; Bedwell, W.; Burke, S.; Salas, E. (9/11). "Values sensitive coaching: The DELTA approach to coaching culturally diverse executives.". Consulting Psychology Journal: Practice and Research 63 (3): 149–161. doi:10.1037/a0025603. Retrieved 23 February 2012. Check date values in:
- Gregory, Jane; Beck, J.; Carr, A. (3/11). "Goals, feedback, and self-regulation: Control theory as a natural framework for executive coaching.". Consulting Psychology Journal: Practice and Research 63 (1): 26–38. doi:10.1037/a0023398. Retrieved 23 February 2012. Check date values in:
Just as the popular press apparently decided that a person being mentored was a "mentee" instead of the appropriate title, protégé, the word coachee sounds like another instance of not finding out the appropriate term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 18:19, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Origins & Naming
(Whole sentence is this; Thomas Leonard who founded "Coach U", "International Coach Federation", "Coachville" and "the International Association of Coaches" was an EST employee in the 1980 's.)
(The third paragraph in Upper Link; Thomas J. Leonard……)
The claim of Ake minoza; The neutral coach does not exist. It is either, a person or a car. There is no middle. We have to remember the Collapse of Language (Tower of Babel). As a historical witness, we should know who attached “ing” to the buttocks.
It is an apt remark. "The neutral coach does not exist. It is either, a person or a car." means that the coach such as Transformers (film series) does not exist, I think. --User:Thomas Ptarmigan 2 March 2014 — Preceding undated comment added 14:55, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Removal of 'Project Coaching'
As of July 10, 2014, I removed the segment on 'project coaching' as it was linked into a advertisement for 'project coaching training' and does not clearly describe how coaching of projects is different from project management. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myilluminatedlife (talk • contribs)
- It is complete advertising for the purpose of induction to a link. It is better to delete all. -- User:Thomas Ptarmigan — Preceding undated comment added 13:10, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
Removal of 'Victimization Coaching'
The one-sentence description of 'victimization coaching' was not clear and described how a victim of past violence might identify a 'dangerous situation' in the future. This sounds more like something that lives under therapy as it refers to a past psychological experience and the avoidance of duplicating this experience again. As such, I removed it as of July 10, 2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myilluminatedlife (talk • contribs)
Addition of Citation under Definition of Coaching
In light of definite need to provide citation of reputable sources, I added definitions of coaching as outlined by Cummings and Worley in Organizational Development & Change, 9th Edition (2009) in their section on "Developing Talent". I hope this gives more credibility to the profession of coaching and to this Wiki page. I had the honor of learning and working under Dr. Worley in Pepperdine University's Masters of Science in Organizational Development program, during which our entire first course taught the fundamentals of coaching and development. Please add other reputable sources so that we can expand the understanding of what coaching is and is not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myilluminatedlife (talk • contribs)