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Emblem vs. CoA[edit]

Why is this called "emblem", and not "Coat of arms"? This is not like France, Belarus or other soviet emblems that took the place of the coats of arms. ES Vic (talk) 17:20, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, the Greek Government calls it an emblem. [1] El Greco(talk) 01:29, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, do they have, in Greek, a term as "coat of arms"? ES Vic (talk) 19:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

The translations of Coat of Arms, in greek is εμβλημα and εθνοσημο.Peeperman (talk) 15:44, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

This is wrong. Coat of Arms is Θυρεός. Εθνόσημο means "National Emblem" and it is incorrect to call the National Emblem of Greece a "Coat of Arms". --Philly boy92 (talk) 02:31, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

-By definition; anything represented on a shield qualifies as a coat of arms. Regardless of what the Greek government calls this; it is most definitely a coat of arms.JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 16:13, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Laurel vs. Olive Branches[edit]

"...consists of a blue escutcheon with a white cross totally surrounded by two laurel branches"

I always thought it was olive branches not laurel. In fact olive tree is the national tree of Greece. Can somebody enlight me?

Emblems missing[edit]

The Great Greek Encyclopedia of 1934 mentions that during the 1925-1926 dictatorship of Theodoros Pangalos four new elements were added into the four parts formed by the cross of the escutcheon: a head of Athena, a helmet and a spear, a double-headed eagle and a phoenix. The escutcheon was surrounded by oak branches on the right and laurel branches on the left.

The new design met much opposition. Later, the phoenix only was placed in the centre of the cross, as a common symbol of the First and Second Republic.

Now, shouldn't we do some extra research on this subject? Dimboukas (talk) 16:56, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

This accords with some images I had found on a French website long ago, depicting just such emblems and with some documentation. Sadly I have not been able to find the site again, although I've tried several times. I too think this info is worthy of inclusion in the article. Constantine 17:19, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
I found one depiction [2] Dimboukas (talk) 21:43, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

National Emblem[edit]

There is an ongoing discussion here. Dimboukas (talk) 22:24, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

It is a coat of arms[edit]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was Move. Cúchullain t/c 18:28, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

National emblem of GreeceCoat of arms of Greece – Let's call a spade a spade. Most people would call this a coat of arms. See WP:COMMONNAME. It is simply a new rendition of the 1822 blazon. The EU's symbol is for example formally referred to as "The European Emblem", but every right-minded person would refer to it as a flag. SSJ t 15:00, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

  • Oppose: Common practice is to avoid calling emblems that don't follow heraldic rules "coat of arms". And many English-speaking people (especially those not native to the language) have no idea what "coat of arms" means, but understand what a "national emblem" is. Constantine 15:18, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
    • Plus, if we want to be pedantic, "national emblem" is the proper translation of the technical Greek term, εθνόσημο. A coat of arms would be θυρεός. Constantine 15:20, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
Comment The version that currently is in the top of this article doesn't have a non-heraldic circle in the background, i.e. it follows the rules of heraldry. Of course many people don't know what heraldry is, but that doesn't make us call the coat of arms of Luxembourg the "Logo of Luxembourg". The naming of articles should be informed by knowledge about the topic. - SSJ t 15:32, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
Hmm, I missed that, I was still under the impression we used the vesion with the circle. I had a look at the relevant law from 1975, and it does not prescribe the circle (except, quite naturally, on seals). The second argument still stands, but it isn't decisive. So I modify my position to "I don't really mind either way". Constantine 16:01, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Presidential seal or coat of arms[edit]

Anyone could translate this document ? I'd like to know if any presidential symbol exists for the president of the Hellenic Republic and what the official texts say about the symbols of Greece. Thank you. --Cyril-83 (talk) 11:10, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

There is no presidential symbol prescribed in this law. What the law says is essentially that the flag is the old, cross-only "land flag" (this was changed to the "sea flag"in 1978), and all the seals must feature the coat of arms, the name of the relevant authority (public service, court, military unit etc) in a ring around the coat of arms, and the words "Hellenic Republic" in an outer ring, as in the examples appended in the end. Constantine 12:12, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! So can we understand that those 7 seals are official ? What authority do they symbolise? --Cyril-83 (talk) 12:17, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
These seals are officially sanctioned examples of the law's prescriptions. First row, L-R: national emblem, great seal of the state, seal of the Parliament. Second row, L-R: court of the first instance of Athens, Ministry of Justice, Euboea Prefecture, Athens Prosecutor's Office. As I said above, the names in the inner ring are the authority to which the seal belongs. This is the universal pattern in Greece to this day, from ministries to public schools. The same was true under the previous regimes (junta and kingdom), with the respective national emblems of the time. Constantine 12:59, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Ok. So, this picture of the CoA of the president of the Hellenic Republic is erroneous and pure invention, if I understand well. --Cyril-83 (talk) 13:47, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Yes, for a couple of reasons: First, there is no tradition in Greece of using these seals in colour or as escutcheons/emblems, like the seal of the US President. Furthermore, although I am pretty sure the Presidency uses seals of its own, they too would have to conform to the same basic design, i.e. the coat of arms, a ring with "Presidency of the Republic" (as seen in the file you linked), and then an outer ring with "Hellenic Republic". This file was used in the English-language WP once, but I removed it exactly because of its rather "imaginary" status. Be advised that there are a couple of other similarly imaginary "seals" in Commons for the PM and the Cabinet.Constantine 14:04, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. --Cyril-83 (talk) 15:19, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
No problem. PS, here is a copy of the actual seal of the Presidency. You see that it is used simply as a seal for documents, not as an emblem (the letterhead features the national coat of arms, as do all public services). Constantine 15:28, 6 January 2013 (UTC)