Talk:Cocktail

Redirect

"Pink Squirrel" likewise redirects here. No mention of Pink Squirrel in the text. 65.90.33.15 (talk) 21:35, 17 December 2008 (UTC) I got redirected to this cocktail page after searching for the song 'Between the Sheets' by the Isley Brothers. Between the Sheets is one of the most commonly hello how are you..? sampled and covered singles of all time, and should have its own page. A slang term shouldn't get in the way of another page.

I wouldn't necessarily call it 'slang' since the cocktail Between the Sheets dates from the 1920s

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Is the placing of a rooster feather in 18th or early 19th century "cocktails" actually historically documented? I've heard the story called dubious folk-ethmology.

According to here, http://www.word-detective.com/back-x.html, and here http://www.nmk.co.za/content/cocktails/cocktail_origins.htm ,all the etymologies (and I've see at least a dozen) are speculative. I included the "feather" reference because, unlike the others I've read, this one includes a functionality of the feather in the drink and not just a distortion of another word, which appeals to my pragmatic nature. I'll add a reference to these notes.David dePaoli

What is the origin of the name "Tom Collins"? Was it invented by a guy named Tom?

Named for Old Tom Gin, a sweetened gin common in the 19th century

--ThirtyOneKnots 14:30, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

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I'm pretty sure flavored seltzers are often consumed as a beverage in New York State, not just used as a mixer. Sometimes tonic water too.

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What has happened to the image Flaming cocktails that is used by this article? - [[User:Bevo|Bevo]] 15:03, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

From Wikipedia:Deletion log archive/November 2004 (2):

15:15, 19 Nov 2004 Ed g2s deleted Image:Flaming cocktails.jpg (moved to commons)

However, I can't seem to find it on Commons, so I suppose it should be re-uploaded? (The source link is still in the image description page's deleton history.) -- Hadal 16:26, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Update: It was at the Commons up until yesterday. From Commons:Deletion log:

14:22, 3 Dec 2004 DaB. deleted "Image:Flaming cocktails.jpg" (URV/Copyrightproblem)

See also the image's listing at Commons:Deletion requests#Image:Flaming cocktails.jpg. This would explain why it suddenly disappeared. So, if it is indeed a copyright porblem (as it appears DaB. seems to think so, since s/he also deleted the image from de:), perhaps it should not be re-uploaded? I don't know how the Commons copyright policy differs from Wikipedia's, if at all. -- Hadal 17:08, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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The following line sounds a bit like a political statement. Is it really needed?

It is said, also to be of great use to a Democratic candidate: because a person, having swallowed a glass of it, is ready to swallow anything else.Higanesh2003 (talk) 20:36, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Partisan reference

There are lots of references to the effects of alcohol. Is there a particular reason for choosing one that mentions Democrats? bobblewik 11:14, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

This quote is significant because it is the first written definition of the word "cocktail" and in any case Democratic here does not refer to the modern Democratic Party but to the Democratic-Republican Party whose ideological successors are more accurately the modern Republican Party. --ThirtyOneKnots 14:30, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Mandarin etymology

"The Mandarin name for cocktail is Jee Wooui Geuui. Jee means rooster/chicken/cock Wooui means tail and Geuui means liquor." I greatly doubt it, and I would also like to know what "transcription" this might be. Could some Mandarin-speaker prove or disprove this (and make the according corrections)? --Oop 14:57, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

About the possible mandarin origin

I've learned chinese for 1 year so the best I could do was to correct the transliteration and add the ideographs. But as to the hypothesis itself, I consider it far-fetched given the fact that as far as I know some words in Mandarin are either very self-descriptive or a result a a direct translation from other languages, especially English, e.g. airplane - 飞机, feiji - literally "flying machine"; microwave oven - 微波炉, weibolu - literally 微 - tiny or micro, 波 - wave and 炉 - oven. Not really great examples, I know, but you get the point. I hope someone can clear this out, but in the meantime it's at least written correctly anyway. -- 18:00, 12 May 2006 (UTC-3)

Between the Sheets

Why does "Between the Sheets" redirect there? Purple Rose 11:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

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How about make a page about between the sheets? example - Between the sheets (song) Between the sheets (cocktail)

How about instead having "Between the Sheets" just point at the "song? We don't have "Manhattan" redirect here. Nor "cosmopolitan," nor "mudslide." "Between the sheets" is not mentioned on this page other than in the redirect notice, so there is little chance that anyone who is searching for information on this obscure cocktail will find any useful information on the page. Barring some logic posted here, I am going to change this redirect.

Some corrections

A) I've read that coktail originally meant a mixer of to spirits, not what we drink nowadays, spirts and non-alcoholi beverages. b) I've also read that the cocktail was invented in New Orleans in the 19th Century. This is want they claimed during the Cocktail festival this past July.

old fashion

Do you know if the original reciepe of the Old Fashion? Is it with soda?

Mixology

Mixology shouldn't redirect here, it should have its own page. Thoughts? JesseRafe 07:16, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Defiantly should have it's own page. -- Al™ 02:15, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Rohypnol

"However, alcohol is not essential, the turn of the century has given rise to other sorts of cocktails, e.g. rohypnol and coke, the so called 'saturday night special'."

Surely this is both confusing and innacurate especially in its current position within the article. Is there any evidence of this type of "cocktail" gaining popularity this century? Surely there is nowhere where one can order this from a cocktail bar and therefore more explaination of what this reference means is required. This should either be expanded on in a section about drug cocktails or removed entirely to an article on spiked drinks and/or "date rape" drugs. This can't possibly remain as it does so I am removing it until someone either rewrites with a proper explaination or provides the proper citation. --JamesTheNumberless 15:24, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for removing that. I am not even sure what rohypnol is, but it certainly does not fit the definition of cocktails as I have come to know it. Further, it contradicts many other sources we have listed throughout this section of the Wikipedia. --Willscrlt 23:46, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It's a drug commonly associated with date-rape, I think it was originally designed as a sleeping aid. Incidentally I also removed the reference to virgin cocktails as it was poorly written and the explaination of the name, as a reference to alcohol consumption being a sin (presumably a reference to Islam) since there is no direct connection. Perhaps a better word would be "innocense" as a cocktail could be said to be dishonest by hiding the flavour of alcohol but a virgin cocktail more innocent as it has nothing to hide. But this would be as much guesswork as the original comment, since I have no sources to cite. --JamesTheNumberless 11:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Woo Woo

can someone tell me why "Woo Woo" redirects here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.81.197.249 (talk) 15:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC).

• "Woo Woo" is a type of cocktail, so that's probably why. AiusEpsi 10:18, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Liquid Cocaine

Why does Liquid Cocaine redirect here? Its a very controversial every drink which doesn't actually contain any cocaine. Rjkd12 23:12, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Liquid Cocaine should redirect to Golden Elk. 24.218.218.9 02:58, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Non-Alcoholic Cocktails

When I go to the market, I often see a bottle of juice (non alcoholic) labeled as a cocktail, i.e. Cranberry Cocktail, Mix Berry Cocktail, ect. I notice the article doesn't touch on these kinds of cocktails. Is there a reason for this? 71.136.242.178 05:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

External Links

I see a fairly long list of external links here. I'm not sure which ones should/shouldn't be kept. Would someone be willing to look them over and update it so the article adheres to WP:NOT#LINK Ank329 18:04, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I'll give this another day or two, and then I'll be bold, and cut down the external links myself. Ank329 02:55, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Removed link spam... Ank329 04:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

The links are coming back. I have removed the corksout link twice now. As the site exists primarily "to sell products or services," it is in clear violation of WP:ELNO. Rees11 (talk) 11:50, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Popular with Prohibition?

"The cocktail became popular with Prohibition in the United States." That's simply not true, according to the sources I've read (Wondrich, Regan, DeGroff, etc). Someone needs to seriously re-write the history section. If I get ambitious I'll do it. Rees11 (talk) 15:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Cocktail Deadly?

can someone write something about why cocktails can really mess up ur face and cause it to swell forever as said in this article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tees/7598614.stm. many people who drank cocktails became deformed due to violent chemical reactions which means this drink can be very dangerous, something should be said about that. Dioxholster (talk) 22:56, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

This doesn't seem at all notable or interesting to me. Rees11 (talk) 02:08, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Recipe section

I removed the new Recipe section. It didn't seem to add any new information. It would be a bad idea to start listing recipes here, as these are controversial enough already, and they are given in the separate articles for individual drinks if they are notable enough. The external links are worthless. There is a separate list of cocktails linked from here if the reader wants to learn more. Rees11 (talk) 22:26, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Etymology

I think all the unsourced entries in the Etymology section should be removed, and the remaining entries (two of them?) turned into a short paragraph. Rees11 (talk) 22:55, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Image sizes

There has been a lot of back and forth over the image sizes. Please read WP:ImageSize. The main thing to remember here is that not everyone has the same screen and browser that you have. You can tweak the image sizes and placements so they look good to you, and they will look terrible to someone with different screen and font sizes. Wikipedia users have the option to choose their default image sizes to suit their own screen, and when you force a particular image size it defeats the user preferences. So please just let the image sizes default instead of forcing them to fit your screen (and no one else's). Rees11 (talk) 13:24, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Derivative uses

This section seems utterly unrelated to the rest of the article and a bit spurious tbh. If anything, wouldn't it be best disambiguated? Ride the Hurricane (talk) 14:47, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I think this is adequately covered by the "otheruses" template at the top of the article (which I have just changed to an "about" template). Rees11 (talk) 16:07, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Etymology

What about the the pony etymology: on horse auctions, mixed-blood horses were marked by binding their tail upward just as a cock tail (so-called cocktailed ponies). The notion of mixing things together was then taken from horses to drinks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.73.88.114 (talk) 23:02, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

I found this on internet

Bathed by the waters of the Gulf of Mexico, in a picturesque bay on the Yucatan Peninsula, lies the historic port of Campeche, which once gave birth to the most intrepid sailors of America and the most skilled boatbuilders. Many years ago I came to this picturesque tropical port to load majestic sailboats English mahogany and other hardwoods, wood from Brazil, logwood and other various products. No shipped gum, because at that time only chewed the lower classes in Mexico. The officers and sailors down to earth and quench their thirst at the gates of the taverns or in the doorways of the main square. At that time he drank wine, liquor and alcohol without mixing. Ever took "Dracs" of rum, brandy or other spirits, which were prepared drinks in a glass made of thick glass which slowly churning the ingredients with a spoon. Possibly the word "drac" was a corruption of Drake, the British hero of the adventures at sea. In one of those beaches in the Mexican port, the bartender who served drinks used to prepare instead of spoons or sticks, roots thin, fine and smooth of a plant there called for his particular form "rooster tail." British sailors,to see the revolver guy drinks the root of yore, strange to them, they asked what it was, to which he replied "rooster tail" or in English "cock-tail." Henceforth not called "Dracs" but "cocktails."

This is more accurate here in the city where im living.. Campeche --MayaZero 02:52, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

To the notion of the rooster, I'd like to suggest that the rooster signifies the beginning of a day, and perhaps the 'cock's tail' signifies it's end, when cocktails are typically enjoyed.

Adam — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.31.23 (talk) 04:15, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Contradictory Histories

The history section of this article seems to contradict the Etymology section in discussion of the first printed reference. It also includes the same quote as the Etymology section. It seems to me this quote and reference should just be removed from the Etymology section and the reference should be moved up to the History section, but I don't want to do that without access to the original source.

clahey (talk) 23:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)