Talk:Code of the United States Fighting Force

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Contradiction[edit]

Article says "It has been modified twice—once in 1977 by President Jimmy Carter in Executive Order 12017, and most recently in President Ronald Reagan's Executive Order 12633 of March 1988, which amended the code to make it gender-neutral." But then the Text 1a says "As a member of the armed forces of the United States, you are protecting your nation. It is your duty to oppose all enemies of the United States in combat or, if a captive, in a prisoner of war compound. Your behavior is guided by the Code of Conduct, which has evolved from the heroic lives, experiences and deeds of Americans from the Revolutionary War to Operation: Iraqi Freedom." "Operation: Iraqi Freedom" didn't happen until 2003. So this article contradicts itself; either the provided text is wrong, or it has been amended more recently than 1988 - some time during or after 2003. The official text reads "Your behavior is guided by the Code of Conduct, which has evolved from the heroic lives, experiences and deeds of Americans from the Revolutionary War to the Southeast Asian Conflict." - so it looks like maybe someone has modified this text to be different from the original (unless the linked text is not the latest version). 60.225.114.230 (talk) 11:28, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

debate on utility (or harmfulness) of Code and/or predecessor ((un)official) policy?[edit]

I am not widely-read in this subject and so am not a viable candidate to edit for this sub-topic, but I'm interested to know about debate on the utility of the Code, and even the potential harm to US service members that could be caused by rote adherence to the precepts. In the book "The Interrogator" by Col. Raymond F. Toliver, about the Luftwaffe's "master interrogator" Hanns Scharff, there is a lively discussion about the origin of the Code, and also its limitations (informed by the horrible torture of captured pilots by North Vietnamese, for example).

  • "Name, rank and serial number cost many a POW his life in those conflicts, yet what they knew and could say was insignificant as far as secrets were concerned."
  • "It became clear that if this dreadful torture continued, it was going to be impossible to adhere to the Code of Conduct..."

There's more, too, but I can't find the excerpt right now, and it's the most salient part! Basically it's said that the US aircrew in WW2 who "resisted" interrogation for the longest time, and thus spent the longest period of time in the transient Luftwaffe interrogation center, before being sent on to permanent POW camps, were most likely to be suspected (by Allied control authorities) of having collaborated with the enemy (b/c they weren't expected by their commanders back home to spend a week, for example, refusing to provide any info but name, rank and serial number). If you haven't read this book, but you're interested in the topic, I highly recommend it, and it will open your eyes to why there's a Code, but how it can leave any reasonably educated or sophisticated soldier facing quite the "moral" dilemma! Azx2 17:04, 6 October 2013 (UTC)