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This articule contained the tautological "Coffeemakers are currently the most popular way of making coffee at home." I fixed this sentence, but it is symptomatic of a larger issue: this page shows signs of not knowing that it is an article on coffeemakers in general (as opposed to auto-drip coffeemakers in particular). Problematically, the article on coffee preparation has some claim to being a better article on various kinds of coffeemakers than this one. It seems to me there should be a clearer hierarchy: coffee preparation should link to a fuller article on coffeemakers, which should at least include the most thorough list on Wikipedia of various kinds of coffeemakers, and link to articles for all the coffeemakers that have been treated in separate articles. Perhaps a category for coffeemakers and brewing methods (the two categories overlap so much that they should be consolidated--few coffeemakers are used for two brewing methods!) is in order. Wareh 19:52, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

On further reflection, I think this article should be eliminated and incorporated into the Brewing section of coffee preparation. Wareh 19:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Anything in this article too specific for coffee preparation should go to drip brew. Wareh 19:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Not sure[edit]

about your complaint. There was very little about drip-type coffeemakers in this article until you added the section. It was initially a stub that I added a lot of content to, so I imagine that there might be some awkward passages, but the content is substantially different to the coffee preparation page in my mind. What do you think about renaming the page History of coffee making or something like that, and adapting it accordingly? Richardjames444 20:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Just to clarify--I did not in any way add the section on drip coffeemakers. Any additions I made are fewer than 20 words. Wareh 02:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
my apologies. I checked the edit history and I'm not sure why I said you had added the drip section. It was part of the original article. Anyway, what do you think about a move/rename to clarify the content? Richardjames444 03:03, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I can easily agree with your suggestion that stuffing all this into coffee preparation might be a mistake. On the other hand, the problem with this article is that it presents a very limited slice of the "history of coffeemakers" or whatever it would be called. Simply put, it's not anywhere near having encyclopedic scope on a topic as vast as the history of coffeemakers. Clearly someone framed this article who was interested in the ascendance of the auto-drip machine industry after earlier widespread use and marketing of primitive vacuum pots and that awful mid-20th-c. American workhorse, the percolator. So much is missing from this story, when it comes to trying to survey the variety of coffeemakers, coffee consumer habits throughout the world, etc., that the idea of breaking up its content and parceling it out elsewhere is still appealing to me. There is not currently an article on the vacuum brewing method, which for most people means today's Bodum Santos machine; the back-history of the vacuum pot presented here would make a wonderful introduction to a page on that brewing method. Basically, my proposal would be, parcel out the narrative given in this page to Vacuum coffee brewer, Coffee percolator, and Drip brew. I don't think there is much here that wouldn't fit nicely in those places. On each of these pages, a gesture and link could be made to the other parts of the story; for example, at the end of the vacuum history, say that it was eclipsed in popularity over the 20th c. by the percolator and the automatic drip brew machine. Finally, coffee preparation could continue in its present role as Wiki's master list of coffee brewing methods/machines. It should be enhanced to include links to all the existing articles (for example, it doesn't mention the Neapolitan flip coffee pot--whose presence on the linkless article list was what got me into this whole jumble of coffeemaker pages). Does this seem a better proposal? I'll go ahead and remove the merger suggestion from coffee preparation meanwhile, though I'll leave it here for now. Wareh 03:22, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I started this page in response to a request for it. The "Coffee Maker" is a readily identifiable auto-drip-brew appliance in the modern kitchen used for coffee preparation. In my mind, as a stub, the article described a distinct lineage from early coffee preparation methods up to and including the introduction of what we now know as the Coffee Maker. Before Mr. Coffee, for example, I don't think there was an appliance known as a "coffee maker", just percolators and other manual appliances mentioned in the current article. This article has expanded a bit and now includes the history of making coffee in general, rather than just the lineage of the coffee maker. I claim ignorance of the exact nature of other methods of coffee preparation, but that's not what this article was trying to do originally. I leave it to others to decide what to do with this article, I just wanted to state what my original purpose was. Still 20:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Suggest merge -> Drip Brew[edit]

IMHO, Merging into Drip brew will be better than coffee preparation.

130.194.13.106 07:39, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I think that's a fine strategy. It would be a section on the history and manufacturing context of the rise of auto-drip. But the material here on the two other brew methods' history is too good to be lost; it should be parcelled out to the Vacuum coffee brewing and Percolator articles. What should be done at coffee preparation is to provide more careful links to all the Wiki articles on various methods/technologies. Wareh 14:29, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

A section on the new coffee maker sensation that is replacing the drip brew. The one cup coffee maker. Krups and Nescafe have created a great new machine called Dulce Gusto that is a great example of one such machine. not only do you get a great fresh cup of coffee each time you use one of its little capsules. You also get a piping hot cup of coffee house quality java brewed with 15 bars of pressure. The pressure is how you get the most out of the coffee grinds. The capsules even froth and steam the milk for specialty drinks like a multilayered latte macchiato or a rich caffè lungo, a frothy cappuccino or even if you just want a shot of espresso. The multi-coffee capsule system will change the way you make, drink and think about coffee.

Wow, advertising in Wiki talk pages! But seriously, this article is still a bit schizophrenic. While there is a section on the very obscure Vacuum method, the far more common French Press, Espresso and Moka methods aren't really mentioned. cojoco (talk) 01:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Age of method[edit]

“The first modern method for making coffee—drip brewing—is more than 125 years old, and its design had changed little. The "Biggin", originating in France ca. 1800, was a two-level pot holding coffee in an upper compartment into which water was poured, to drain through holes in the bottom of the compartment into the coffee pot below.” Is this based on a 1930s source? -213.115.77.102 (talk) 11:25, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Thermosiphon or riding on bubbles?[edit]

I was looking for a clear understanding of what process makes the water move through a percolator or drip tube. The article says:

Percolators[edit]

With the percolator design, water is heated in a boiling pot with a removable lid, until the heated water is forced through a metal tube (this doesn't explain the process)

Electric drip coffeemakers[edit]

The heated water moves through the machine using the thermosiphon principle. Thermally-induced pressure and siphoning effect move the heated water through an insulated rubber or vinyl riser hose, (this is clear and is explained at Thermosiphon)

However, from HowStuffWorks, found through the article's Reference 1, at [1] I read:

When the water boils, the bubbles rise up in the white tube. What happens next is exactly what happens in a typical aquarium filter: The tube is small enough and the bubbles are big enough that a column of water can ride upward on top of the bubbles.

But this contradicts the article at Thermosiphon, which says:

Also, thermosiphons can fail because a bubble in the loop, and require a circulating loop of pipes.

It seems to me that the bubble-riding explanation has the Ring of Truth, but I'm no expert. Can anyone clarify this?

-LetMeLookItUp (talk) 22:41, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Nature of article[edit]

Reading through, I can see what the article is about, but there are a number of confusing aspects of this page: The article is about "the coffeemaker" - in the, primarily American, English language this means a machine that makes coffee (imageine a kinda Boston accent or something), in the generic sense (i.e not espresso, or espresso-based, or of some other cultural origin). It is almost traditional, despite varying in it's form, as it could be a vacuum brewer, percolator or electric drip coffeemaker. In Britain we're quite used to using cafetieres (french press), I don't know whether this is so common in the US or not. The problem with this page is that it looks like it's trying to be encyclopaedic, but it's acutally about one particular (English language) culture.

Anyway, I do know that it is this distinction between espresso and coffee which is causing a lot of confusion, and it is the images of espresso machines on this page which cause this! Also the introduction doesn't support my interpritation of the page, so I suggest changing that as well. The other question is whether the page should be renamed to make it more specific to this certain type of end-result, that is "coffee (generic)" or something. Davemnt (talk) 09:05, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Vacuum pots "difficult to use?"[edit]

In the section which discusses vacuum pots, the article states the vacuum pot went out of fashion because they are "difficult to use" (citation needed for that, as vacuum pots are still quite popular, and there are several manufacturers of them).

Of my own coffeemakers (anecdotal story here, your mileage may vary), I have two different percolators (one electric), two vacuum pots (a 2011 Yama stovetop and a 1943 Sunbeam electric), a drip pot, and an espresso maker. By far the vacuum pots are the easiest to clean (you can get to all the parts, unlike the drip, electric percolator, or espresso), assemble (pop the upper vessel on, it's assembled), takes no longer to make coffee than the percolators and less time than the drip, and cost less to operate than the drip pot (no paper filters).

Since the Sunbeam model I note was not discontinued by Sunbeam until 1975, I suspect the real reason vacuum pots became "less popular" is because of marketing, especially of the then-new drip pot. Of note, Yama only -started- making them a couple years ago. 71.50.20.106 (talk) 02:29, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Three issues with this article[edit]

First, the article needs to mention espresso machines, at least a summery paragraph on them with a link to the article on espresso machines. While the term "coffee machine" in American English generally is used only to refer to coffee machines that make "brewed coffee" such as drip and french press coffee makers, espresso machines are technically a form of coffee maker, as espresso is a style of coffee. As such this the article needs to include at least some mention of espresso machines. Second, this article should also mention the Turkish coffee pot, the cezve. Second, their are certain downsides to various coffee making methods that are missing from the article such as:

  • Many percolators during it's heyday had a design flaw that allowed the coffee to be circulated through more then once which could cause it to burn if left peculating too long.
  • French press machines require you to grind your coffee to a some courser consistency or else you can end up with unwanted grits in your coffee.

--Notcharliechaplin (talk) 03:57, 2 March 2013 (UTC)