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Sockpuppetry?[edit]

I suspect that there is some sockpuppetry going on with certain IP users who keep taking the "Cowtown" name off this entry. Also, one of them put abusive language on my talk page this week after I followed possible general consensus and overturned their edit removing Cowtown nomiker here. I don't know what the exact WP policies regarding verbal abuse (four letter words, specifically), and sockpuppetry are, but they are definitely discouraged and uncool. Thoughts on this anyone? Thanks, Jack B108 (talk) 02:36, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

OK, sorry, here is the WP policy on sockpuppetry: SOC. Two very similar IP addresses making very similar edits to two related pages at nearly the same time looks suspicious to me, esp. when you see that virtually the only edits made by those users removed a specific controversial nickname.... 02:55, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
They have both been reported to WP:AIV, and placed warnings and IPheaders on the talk pages of both. If the continued IP vandalism occurs, I will request the page be semi-protected for an indefinite about of time.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 03:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Since the IP editor refuses to stop taking out sourced content, I have requested the page be semi-protected indefinitely.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 03:23, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Page is now protected for two weeks.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 07:56, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Sister Cities Date Issues?[edit]

I notice that Columbus was made a sister city with Genoa, Italy in 1955 by an organization that was created in 1956? Either this or the organization's page is wrong... felinoel (talk) 13:45, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Marie Claire[edit]

What's with the lengthy Marie Claire quote? That doesn't sound very encyclopedic. I was going to add that the band The Black Swans refer to Columbus as "The Existential Capital of the World" and held off for fear of frivolity.

If Marie Claire passes, so should the Black Swans quote. Crasshopper (talk) 17:27, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

I cut that paragraph down which included taking out the unnecessary quote.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 01:21, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Speaking of frivolous, I don't get the whole Dating scene section. It's simply a list of "study rankings" that are several years old. Should we remove the section? Rwalker (talk) 13:17, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Page is protected again[edit]

FYI, thanks once again to actions of an IP editor based in Columbus, Ohio (who apparently doesn't like the reference of "Cowtown" being applied), the page has once again been semi-protected until September 7th, 2011 to prevent a re-occurrence of this behavior. If IP editors are wishing to add something constructive to this article in the meantime, please use the {{Edit semi-protected}} template.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 23:00, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 75.60.243.23, 2 July 2011[edit]

In the section regarding "festivals," the picture caption below the Greek Orthodox Church says their annual festival is called "Greek Fest." This is incorrect. It is- both officially and by most Columbus residents, called "Greek Festival." As of 7/2/2011, this information is available on the home page of the Annunciation Greek Orthodox Cathedral, at www.greekcathedral.com

Also, the photo posted as a picture of the Ohio State University is a picture of the private South Campus gateway shopping district, and doesn't show any University buildings or facilities. This picture should, instead, be of a University landmark. The Oval, perhaps? or the actual Unversity gateway?

75.60.243.23 (talk) 17:52, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Done I have changed both, Ideally we should use a different picture as that one is already included in the image box montage, but I could not find a better image on commons, and little bit or repetition seemed better to me then the current photo. If you have any suggestions for a better photo, let me know. Monty845 18:11, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Out of date metro population data, 15 July 2011[edit]

Under the population data at the top of the page the metro population is out of date. It should be 1,836,536 (2010 census) as is listed on Wikipedia's table of metropolitan statistical areas.

24.53.176.96 (talk) 02:25, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Done. Rwalker (talk) 02:37, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Freeputz, 25 July 2011[edit]

Please remove the line "and not due to a high density rate," from the sentence below. This is factually inaccurate, as the density rate in Columbus (3,556.1/sq mi)is at or above most most cities in the Unitied States.

The population of the city was 787,033 at the 2010 census.[1] Although Columbus is the most populous city in Ohio, this is due to the city's relatively large territory (over 212 square miles (550 km2)), and not due to a high density rate.

Please also remove the sentence below. Comparisons to other major cities are inappropriate in this section, and do not exist on other pages of other cities.

This explains why the Columbus metropolitan area has a relatively small population, and is smaller than both the Cleveland and Cincinnati metro areas.

Freeputz (talk) 19:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

DoneI agree that that information is questionable at best; only with a reliable source saying something nearly identical would it be appropriate to include. Removed. Qwyrxian (talk) 09:57, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Columbus which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 23:15, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 25 October 2011[edit]

Under the Museums section, I would like to add In 2009, Parents Magazine named COSI the #1 Science Center for families in the country. (My Source is - http://www.parents.com/fun/vacation/us-destinations/best-science-centers/)

It's a great addition since the zoo also has their ranking. We have a lot of number ones in our great city and they should be part of the article.

Thank you!

Cosiscience (talk) 14:16, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Done, although the article doesn't say the museums are ordered by rank, so I just put it as in the top ten, not necessarily #1. — Bility (talk) 17:45, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Franklinton Annexation[edit]

The article states the date of the Franklinton annexation as 1837. The very source linked in Google Books (and confirmed with my own copy) states 1870. Other sources states 1871. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmorgan.2005 (talkcontribs) 01:45, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 February 2012[edit]

Please REMOVE Zapopan, Jalisco, Mexico and Kumasi, Ghana from the Sister Cities listed under International Relations. Please CHANGE Kfar Saba, Israel to Herzliya, Israel under Sister Cities/International Relations. Source: Sister Cities International 2011 Membership Directory Pachamama14 (talk) 19:28, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

DoneBility (talk) 19:48, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on May 4 2013[edit]

Can we remove the Cowtown nickname reference? I would argue that it’s not a nickname, but rather a somewhat derogatory term that could be applied to any number of towns or cities across the country. Wikipedia itself defines Cowtown as “1. (slang) A small town, a hick or backwards town.” Or “2. A town or city noted for its link to the cattle industry.” Neither of which is appropriate or factual when referencing Columbus. While I understand that Columbus has been referred to as a cowtown, I don’t think that makes it a nickname. For example, The Intelligent Communities Forum recently named Columbus the most intelligent city America, but that doesn't mean I can cite that article and add “America’s Most Intelligent City” to the nicknames list. I would argue that at best the cowtown reference is vague and inaccurate and at worst is a blatant attempt to attach a backwards stigma to the city. 98.28.1.59 (talk) 18:30, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

I agree with you (at least everything but the stigma insinuation). It's a generic term, not a true nickname. postdlf (talk) 18:34, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
I might have been a bit strong, but I think it should removed and replaced with "Cbus" or "Cap City". Something that is more specific to the city itself.98.28.1.59 (talk) 18:59, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
If you are requesting that something be added please provide a reference. Cowtown is referenced, so unless you can show references denying that, it stays.Gtwfan52 (talk) 19:22, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
How do you possibly find references denying the use of a nickname? Proving or disproving a nickname is tricky business since it's really derived from the popularity and use in the local vocabulary. For example, living in Columbus I hear “Cap City” (which can be found on page 6 in Columbus and the State of Ohio: Cool Stuff Every Kid Should Know By Kate Boehm Jerome http://books.google.com/books?id=csEBvE4uUlAC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false) and Cbus fairly regularly. Whereas cowtown as defined by Wikipedia is a general and derogatory term. One of the citations in support of the cowtown nickname states the same "Cowtown, probably the closest we've come, is really more of a slur" http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/life_and_entertainment/2010/11/21/despite-its-attributes-columbus-lacks-a-catchy-moniker.html That same article also mentions “Cbus”. I understand all of this is subjective, as a nickname isn’t a fact or an official record. However, reading the article and living in Columbus I was slightly offended to see cowtown listed as a nickname and was spurred to make my first comments on a Wikipedia article. I at least thought I’d try to make my case. 98.28.1.59 (talk) 20:24, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
"Cowtown" is a pretty widely accepted nickname for Columbus; there are local businesses, bands, etc named "Cowtown" in reference to the city, and its nickname comes up in numerous articles written on Columbus. The name can be used as a derogatory term for other places, but that doesn't make it any less a nickname for Columbus specifically. And your personal feelings on the subject shouldn't really warrant what is and is not included in the article.--Chimino (talk) 20:38, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
98, it is really pretty simple. Stuff that has references can go in the article, stuff that doesn't have references can't. You make your case by citing references, not by emotion-based appeals. Gtwfan52 (talk) 21:20, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
I agree with everything Chimino wrote here. Wikipedia should reflect language usage, not try to police it. Jack B108 (talk) 21:26, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Dating[edit]

Columbus,_Ohio#Dating_scene this is unencyclopaedic, such rankings are purely based on who votes in a certain magazine. and WP is not a place to list dating scene rankings. strongly suggest it goes. LibStar (talk) 03:58, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

I agree with you there, but I do not understand your removal of the media listings. Most city articles have those and this one did when it was rated a "good" article. Gtwfan52 (talk) 04:19, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
re: media no, in my experience most city articles don't have it. all cities in the world have tens if not 100s of TV or radio stations. so unless we intend to create directories for all. as for dating, I'll remove it now. LibStar (talk) 05:18, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Well, in investigating the 8 cities immediately above Columbus on the List of United States cities by population, 5 of them had spin off articles listing the tv and or radio stations. Rather than just deleting said content, the general procedure when a section gets to large in an article is to spin it off into another article. So at this point, I am going to restore those deletions until I or someone else has time to create said spin off article. Hope you don't object. Gtwfan52 (talk) 03:19, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
I would support it being moved into its own article. LibStar (talk) 03:34, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Claim of top city[edit]

" it was ranked as one of the top 10 best big cities in the country in 2010, according to Relocate America, a real estate research firm" is Relocate America really a reliable source? LibStar (talk) 00:32, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

C-bus[edit]

From this page [2010]: "Unless you are WP editor that (1) has actually lived in Columbus in the last five years and (2) willing to do some time doing research before undoing others` careful edits, please leave the nickname thing here alone, because you are likely to be flat wrong. A recent magazine in Columbus had the very name described as here today as "nonsense", the term "C-bus". (http://www.columbusunderground.com/c-bus-magazine-is-ceasing-publication). An Ohio clothing manufacturer, as mentioned in the Columbus Dispatch article "T`s with tude" (10.2.2008), sold 5000 shirts with "C-bus" on them; these were even sold at Port Columbus. C-bus is a real nickname of Columbus, Ohio, in current use, by real people. And this article has plenty of refs already, not to mention that it is silly to use a ref to restate common knowledge. Jack B108 (talk) 01:25, 23 March 2010 (UTC)" Jack B108 (talk) 20:21, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Alternative/Magnet Schools[edit]

While Columbus City Schools refers to its non-neighborhood schools as "Alternative Schools", the Wikipedia entry that is closest to CCS's definition and usage is that of "Magnet Schools" instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.131.85.172 (talk) 14:18, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Specifically they were initially created as an attempt to avoid court ordered busing for racial segregation, they are entered into by a lottery and typically have a specific academic focus, anything from math and sciences, arts, traditional, foreign language etc.

In most of the rest of the US an alternative school "originated to serve a growing population of students who were not experiencing success in the traditional schools" and "This type of school is not only intended to accommodate students who are considered at risk of failing academically, but also students of all academic levels and abilities who are better served by a non-traditional program. Many programs are specifically intended for students with special educational needs, but others address primarily social problems that affect students, such as teenage parenthood or homelessness. Students are typically referred to as at-risk students, and may have one or more of any several reasons such as challenging behavior, a need for special remedial programs, emotional disabilities, or problems that destabilize the student's personal life, such as homelessness or, in the case of migrant farmworkers, moving very frequently." (taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_school#United_States) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.131.85.172 (talk) 14:33, 25 September 2013 (UTC)


Columbus montage[edit]

I thought the montage could use some updating, so I gathered a few images from Getty Images. Apparently, they're "free" as long as they aren't used for "commercial use." I'm not sure if I went through the proper channels to retrieve the images, or if the licensing is correct. It would be awesome is someone with that knowledge could verify.

--TheCoolOne99 (talk) 15:35, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

If they can't be used for commercial use, then they are treated as non-free here. See WP:NFC. A license we consider free cannot have that restriction.

But you haven't even interpreted that much right. The Getty images are merely "royalty free" (meaning you don't pay more fees for multiple uses), not truly free at all; usage requires payment of a license fee. And even if you had been right about them being only restricted to noncommercial use, you couldn't possibly justify labeling them "public domain" as you did at File:Updated Columbus Ohio montage.jpg. Which tells me that you don't understand any of these concepts. I suggest you not upload any more images you have not created yourself until you have read through our copyright and file usage policies and can demonstrate you get it. postdlf (talk) 15:56, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Postdlf asked me to comment and I will point out we've discussed whether these new "free" Gettys images work for us (WT:NFC#Getty Images), and even after getting some email back from Gettys, they are not free enough for our purposes. Assuming that we are talking the subset of GEttys images they have flagged that can be used for free on social media sites, they require that the image is still embedded with a link back to them , and they remain non-free for commercial use. So Gettys images remain offlimits for use, as NFCC#2 is still not met. --MASEM (t) 19:59, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Edit request--20th Century section, first paragraph[edit]

The water project reduced the number of typhoid deaths, not typhus (see the reference given). typhus is carried by lice, typhoid is sanitation-based.14:08, 7 April 2014 (UTC)173.88.118.138 (talk)

Yes check.svg Done. Good catch. postdlf (talk) 15:45, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
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