Talk:Communism

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Communism by country[edit]

I noticed we only have articles about communism in Colombia, Korea, Peru, Poland, and Vietnam, yet we have articles about anarchism and liberalism in almost all countries, I think we should have more articles like this for other countries where communism has played a huge role in their history (such as Albania, Bulgaria, Cambodia, China, Cuba, Ethiopia, Germany, Hungary, Moldova, Romania, Russia). Charles Essie (talk) 17:28, 10 April 2014 (UTC)


Communist symbolism[edit]

Here is something on the psychological nature of symbolism as a product of the destructive communist mentality - do please read through and decide if it may fit into the external links section of any wikipedia article epistemologically associable. Wiki Chymyst 12:18, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Seems very far-fetched, and doesn't have much to do with Communism.--Jack Upland (talk) 03:23, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
At least that. But also, bolstered by an explicit claim that the "communist mentality", however you might define it, is inherently destructive, it fails the WP NPOV principle.PårWöet (talk) 03:27, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Claudia[edit]

I'm CLaudia McHenray, and i'm letting you know that i will be coming to this article and others related to it later on, but i first wantt o try out some other topics before i edit this one on my expertise, this way i won't seem completely biassed. I'll be searching aroudn and come back in about 15 to 30 days. Just wanted to give yall a heads up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Claudia McHenry (talkcontribs) 02:50, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Recent edits[edit]

Recent edits have cut down the references to actual Communist governments (Maoism, Hoxhaism, Titoism, Juche etc) but left the sections on obscure alternative movements, many of which like Situationism aren't normally thought of as Communist. This is really distorting the article.--Jack Upland (talk) 01:21, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

This is an article about communism, not "communist states". If you are seeking that information, you would rather find it in the articles of the history of the People's Republic of China, Albania, Yugoslavia, and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Maoism, Hoxhaism, Titoism and Juche have no ideological relevance. They are Marxism-Leninism, and the sections about them were only describing Mao, Hoxha, Tito and Kim's personal preferences. There are already extensive articles which talk about them. I mean, look at what they had been saying:
Maoism is the Marxist-Leninist trend of communism associated with Chairman Mao Zedong of the Communist Party of China and was mostly practiced within China. Nikita Khrushchev's reforms heightened ideological differences between China and the Soviet Union, which became increasingly apparent in the 1960s. Parties and groups that supported the Communist Party of China (CPC) in their criticism against the new Soviet leadership proclaimed themselves as 'anti-revisionist' and denounced the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the parties aligned with it as revisionist "capitalist-roaders." The Sino-Soviet Split resulted in divisions amongst communist parties around the world. Notably, the Party of Labour of Albania sided with the People's Republic of China. Effectively, the CPC under Mao's leadership became the rallying force behind a parallel international Communist tendency.
And that's all the Maoism section was saying before it was cut down... and the exact same for Hoxhaism, Titoism, and Juche. Yeah, ok, that has no ideological relevance at all. This is only saying "Maoism is Marxism-Leninism but the politics in China were different from these in the Soviet Union". So what I did was cut Hoxhaism and Maoism to one single paragraph: which explains that they are variants of Marxism-Leninism, which explains the "anti-revisionist movement", and which explains the distancing of certain other "socialist states" (Albania, China...) from the Soviet Union. Clean and nice. The article was too long, now it's just the perfect length and virtually no information was removed - it was simply re-structured in an efficient way, and with each section being allocated as much notability as it has in this topic (which is "communism", not "communist state", not "socialist state", not "Marxism-Leninism", not "Mao Zedong", not "History of the People's Republic of China", not "Sino-Soviet Split", not "Soviet Union", not...) Zozs (talk) 17:53, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
This gives undue weight to obscure alternative movements, and downplays Communism as it was actually practised.--Jack Upland (talk) 01:25, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
These "obscure alternative movements" are relevant to the article at hand ("Communism"). The explanation about Maoism and Hoxhaism was kept, but written more efficiently in a shorter space (which it deserves for THIS topic - ideology of communism) - without removing any information at all, there just isn't a huge picture of Mao now. Like I said, you're looking for other articles; this is the article for "communism", not "state socialism", not "Soviet Union", ... Zozs (talk) 18:41, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
This article is about "Communism", not the Ideology of Communism". Before my reason edits, this article had 43 mentions of "anarch-", 21 of "Trotsky-", and only 10 of "Mao-". China just happens to be the most populist country in the world. I think it's more notable than some squat in Europe. Ideologically, Maoism has been as significant as Trotskyism, in that it developed a dissident Communist movement, differing in that it saw the degeneration of the USSR as occurring after Stalin, rather than after Lenin, and in that it orientated towards less developed countries. I have deleted the sections on "Autonomism" and "Situationism" as the text of their main articles did not identify them as "Communist". I raised this issue a year ago. There has been no substantial response. Rather, the recent edits have given more and more weight to these marginally relevant movements.--Jack Upland (talk) 11:13, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
The particular section the information was in was "Marxist communism" - which is clearly a section about ideology, and thus only things which are ideologically notable. Maoism is not ideologically relevant in the same way Trotskyism is whether it is a tendency more followed or not - Maoism is little more than Mao's brand of Marxism-Leninism. The difference between Marxism-Leninism and Trotskyism and the historical split between them is very significant, notable and ideologically relevant, the rest is not. By the way, I don't mind your edits so far (they may very well be making the article better, I don't know), but I don't know if someone else would. Zozs (talk) 17:31, 19 August 2014 (UTC)