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"Cult" charge[edit]

It seems to me that a reliable source describing the Community of Jesus as a "cult" deserves a mention here.[1] I attempted an NPOV edit, mentioning the charge without endorsing it ("Michael Valpy of The Globe and Mail has described the Community of Jesus as 'an ultra-authoritarian Christian community that attracted the wealthy, the successful and often the mind-bruised' and 'a mind-control cult'."), but my sentence was vandalized,[2] and then removed.[3] I'm not going to add it back, because I don't want to get into an edit war over this, but I'm hoping that someone else can work on this. --Alexbook (talk) 03:01, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Alexbook, to be upfront, I'm relatively new to wikipedia and from Orleans, removed the sentence because it read in a bizarre manner, not realizing it had been vandalized, and because the reference linked to what reads like a personal attack short of encyclopedic value. Hope that helps. RHarbor (talk) 03:42, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Dispute over placement of controversy section[edit]

Both the book and television program referenced in the controversy section are over 20 years old, and are not representative of the Community of Jesus today. There is no notable controversy currently. The Community of Jesus is not now, nor has ever been named in a lawsuit in Canada. It makes no sense to read about one-sided media coverage 20 years ago, before learning about an organization.

Karemin1094 (talk) 12:01, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is a recent book and documentary film as this only two months old. There are recent sources that have been referenced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.43.68 (talk) 06:24, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

False information about litigation[edit]

There is no litigation involving the Community of Jesus in 2016. The Community of Jesus is not a defendant or party to the controversies cited, which stem from alleged incidents occurring over 25 years ago in a foreign country.

--Karemin1094 (talk) 20:43, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute over placement of controversy section continued[edit]

As was stated previously, the book and television program referenced at the opening of the controversy section are over 20 years old, and are not representative of the Community of Jesus today. There is no notable controversy currently. The Community of Jesus is not now, nor has ever been named in a lawsuit in Canada. It makes no sense to read about one-sided media coverage 20 years ago, before learning about an organization.

There is false information in this section. Robert Farnsworth was never a member of the Community of Jesus. There is no Ontario Provincial Police investigation of the Community of Jesus. There is no reason for the charges against Robert Farnsworth to be mentioned on a Wikipedia page about the Community of Jesus. This seems like an inference of guilt-by-association by the author(s).

The author(s) of the Controversy section also make frequent reference to allegations. It seems inappropriate for allegations to be used and referenced as fact in an encyclopedia style article. RachelKMcKendree (talk) 15:25, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ongoing dispute over placement and content of Controversy section[edit]

After a recent attempt to re-open a talk about the content and placement of the Controversy section went unanswered, and after recent corrections not only went unacknowledged but were ignored and replaced, I am attempting to once again correct false and misleading statements made by an editor to the Controversy section of the article about the Community of Jesus.

At the risk of repeating myself, as stated previously, the book and television program referenced at the opening of the controversy section are over 20 years old, and are not representative of the Community of Jesus today. There is no notable controversy currently. The Community of Jesus is not now, nor has ever been named in a lawsuit in Canada. It makes no sense to read about one-sided media coverage 20 years ago, before learning about an organization.

There is false information in this section. Robert Farnsworth was never a member of the Community of Jesus. There is no Ontario Provincial Police investigation of the Community of Jesus. There is no reason for the charges against Robert Farnsworth to be mentioned on a Wikipedia page about the Community of Jesus. This is an inference of guilt-by-association by the author(s).

The author(s) of the Controversy section also make frequent reference to allegations, and quote self-published memoir-style information about events at a separate organization (in this case, Grenville Christian College) as a source of evidential proof. It seems inappropriate for these allegations to be used and referenced as fact in an encyclopedia style article about a completely separate organization.

I have edited the Controversy section accordingly. Please respond before again replacing it with the previous libelous version. Thank you.RachelKMcKendree (talk) 15:49, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is NOT a self-published memoire, but a book that was published this year by an established book publisher and widely advertised in national televion and in newspapers in the United States and Canada. The book clearly states that the author was threatened with a lawsuit by the Community of Jesus lawyer before publication but that threat of a lawsuit by the Community of Jesus did not materialize. Grenville Christian College was not a separate organisation because as has been stated in court, all members of the Grenville staff were sworn members of the Community of Jesus and the leaders of the Community of Jesus has total control over the staff at Grenville as was stated on National television as early as two weeks ago. Robert Farnsworth was a member of the Community of Jesus which has been reported in the newspapers and public records showed that he lived at the Community of Jesus as has also been reported in the press. Rachel McKendree is a member of the Community of Jesus and her father is a leader of the Community of Jesus. Her fellow community of Jesus members broke ranks and contributed statements in the book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.44.31.34 (talk) 15:00, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Tone[edit]

Most of this reads as if it were taken from some promotional pamphlet. Altogether too many citations to the subject's own pages. User:Manannan67|Manannan67]] (talk) 00:05, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Footnote 10[edit]

Footnote 10 refers to a book about the history of famine which is not related to the Community of Jesus or their diet programme (which is the topic footnoted). 92.9.164.35 (talk) 10:33, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]