Talk:Consciousness

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Edit Request - Change Definition[edit]

"Consciousness is reality". This is a vague, metaphorical definition that doesn't address what consciousness actually is. No dictionary defines it as such; no philosophers or philosophy departments at universities define it as such either.. If I hadn't checked the talk page, I would have thought that this was the result vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JDiala (talkcontribs) 07:36, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

That definition was only added to the article yesterday, and I have reverted back to the old version, which hopefully is more acceptable. Thanks for pointing out the problem. Looie496 (talk) 15:52, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Addition called "advertisement"[edit]

I added an update after reviewing a presentation at Stanford University and it was deleted as an advertisement. It seemed a relevant and important addition to me. Was this deleted Looie because it is out of Stanford and not Berkeley? :-)

I'm not at UC Berkeley, I only live there. In an article on such a broad topic as this, material only belongs if it has drawn substantial attention from large numbers of people. For that book, I can't even find any evidence that it has been published, much less noticed. And in any case that information wouldn't belong in the lead. I apologize for calling it an "advertisement", but lots of articles are plagued by people who edit them solely in order to insert references to their own work, with no regard to the value of the article for readers, and the result usually looks a lot like your edit. Looie496 (talk) 19:00, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I understand. Been following this author for awhile and you are right, the book is not published yet. Only a preview is available. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.244.174 (talk) 23:48, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Very vague introduction[edit]

The first sentence reads:

"Consciousness is the quality or state of being aware of an external object or something within oneself."

Someone commented on this Talk page that there is no one definition of "consciousness" that will be "accepted" by everybody. This is a confused comment. Anyone familiar with English would know that the problem isn't that people disagree about the meaning of "consciousness". Rather, the problem is that this word in English means several different things — no one of which is "right". There are just several different meaning, period.

The definition from the article that I quoted above is, in fact, the aspect of consciousness that most interests me. This is very different from what the word "cognition" means in English: its meaning is the process of thinking. Our experience of our own thinking is of course one aspect of conscious awareness (a phrase I vastly prefer to the use of the ambiguous word "consciousness", because "conscious awareness" is unambiguous). But in general conscious awareness is not the same as cognition.

On the current disambiguation page for the word "consciousness", this page is disambiguated by calling it "cognition" — but this is a huge error for the reason I mention in the last paragraph.

I propose that this article be renamed "Conscious awareness" (or another similarly unambiguous term), and that this be just one of the disambiguations of the word "consciousness" in Wikipedia.

Probably the best use of some article that might be named "Consciousness" is to explain the various uses of the word. Once again: There is no debate or disagreement about the "meaning" of the word among those familiar with English. It is simply a word that has many closely related — but different — meanings.Daqu (talk) 19:52, 9 March 2014 (UTC)