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Corporate manipiulation of wikipedia[edit]

This page (13:42, 24 May 2006 revision) read suspiciously like a public relations text from CONSOL. In fact, the two paragraphs beginning with "CONSOL Energy Inc." are verbatim cut & paste from http://consolenergy.com -- which ironically isn't even linked to from the article under external links, let alone cited as a source.

I was curious who would add this to wikipedia, so I checked out the reverse DNS of the IP address associated with those changes in the history:

 $ host 12.4.226.1
 1.226.4.12.in-addr.arpa is an alias for 1.0/27.226.4.12.in-addr.arpa.
 1.0/27.226.4.12.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer attila.consolenergy.com.

I'd say this presents some POV issues. Factual info, of course, should be cited, and we need some sources besides CONSOL's website.

Matt Toups 14:46, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 09:20, 11 January 2011 (UTC)



CONSOL EnergyConsol EnergyWikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks) indicates that we should only use all-caps formatting when the word in question is an acronym. In this case, it is short for "Consolidated" and thus not an acronym. --Powers T 14:14, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Merge proposal[edit]

Propose to merge Consolidation Coal Company into this article as this is actually the same company. As this article misses history section, Consolidation Coal Company will make an excellent addition to this. Beagel (talk) 17:36, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

  • Support Powers T 15:25, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Lede section[edit]

I noticed that some content in the lede section has been directly copied and pasted from the Hoovers company description referenced in the paragraph. There is also some other content that should be updated concerning their headquarter's location and what the company does - as far as I know, Consol is not involved in actual electricity generation. I also believe that Consol no longer operates in the Illinois Basin.

Accordingly, I've drafted a revised version of the lede addressing these issues. As noted on my user page, I have a WP:COI with this article, so I've posted my proposed revisions in the drop box below and will not move forward with any changes before reaching consensus with other editors.

Please feel free to comment on or make edits to the proposed draft of the lede section below. Thanks! CBuiltother (talk) 20:18, 12 December 2011 (UTC)


Suggestion- 1)You misspelled CONSOL Energy. You left an "n" out of Energy. 2)In the next sentence you have "at the" as one word. 3)I would put back in the part about the former name being The Consolidation Coal Company. 4)I would probably leave in this part too: "suburb of Cecil Township, in the Southpointe complex" Outside of that I think it looks good. Sabre ball (talk) 16:39, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Hey Sabre ball, thanks for your edits and I apologize for the spelling mistakes. I've also reinserted the "suburb of Cecil Township, in the Southpointe complex" language. I'll allow some more time for any other interested editors to weigh in before moving forward with the revisions. Thanks again! CBuiltother (talk) 20:57, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and implemented the revisions to the lede section discussed above. Please feel free to comment here or on my talk page if there is any additional feedback. Thanks! CBuiltother (talk) 16:35, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Converting bulleted timeline to prose, revisions to history section[edit]

When the Consolidation Coal Company article was incorporated into this page, the timeline from that article was added as a subsection of the now expanded history section. As noted on the current article, the bullet list format of the timeline does not comply with Wikipedia's style guidelines and I have accordingly drafted an alternative version of the history section in prose that incorporates some of the material covered in the timeline and provides additional substantiation.

As I have a WP:COI with this article, I will refrain from making these revisions before other editors have had a chance to weigh in. Please feel free to offer any thoughts or changes to this draft of the history section that I have included in the dropbox below. Thanks! - CBuiltother (talk) 16:13, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Neutral to Approve, I don't see anything wrong with that as long as no facts are being deleted or abridged. I am not the most well versed on "wikistandards" and I wouldn't personally agree with the elimination of bullet points for every instance and article but on this article mho is that non-bullets would serve just as well or better. Hholt01 (talk) 20:37, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
By my understanding the proposed subsections are neutral and ready for the article page. Good work. Beagel (talk) 20:53, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback Beagel and Hholt01, I'll provide some additional time for other editors weigh in before implementing the revision. - CBuiltother (talk) 17:53, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

After receiving feedback from other editors, I have gone ahead and implemented the revisions discussed above. CBuiltother (talk) 16:40, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Operations and financials[edit]

I thought it would be helpful to provide a more comprehensive synopsis of Consol's divisions and operations and have provided a draft of an expanded version of the operations section in the drop box below. I also felt that as the current financial results section is so short it could be subsumed as a subsection into an expended operations and financials section. However, I do not feel strongly about this merger of sections and if anybody has any other ideas they are certainly welcome.

In the interest of avoiding any WP:NPOV concerns, please feel free to review and make any necessary changes to the draft below. Thanks! - CBuiltother (talk) 15:27, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Approve - Looks good to me. --Sabre ball (talk) 18:00, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback Sabre ball. I've gone ahead and implemented the revisions. I also added internal hyperlinks to the various rivers Consol's River Division operates on. - CBuiltother (talk) 19:04, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

NPOV concerns with controversies and political involvement sections[edit]

While I believe all the material was added in good faith, several of the issues discussed in the current controversies and political involvements sections, in my opinion, violate various WP:NPOV guidelines including WP:WEIGHT as well as WP:ORIGINAL, with the exception of the material dedicated to the Dunkard Creek Fish Kill - an issue clearly involving Consol that has received substantial third party coverage. I also feel that mention of a $2,000 donation by a VP at Consol does not merit discussion in an encyclopedic article.

Accordingly, I have proposed the following draft in the dropbox below that removes material I felt did not comply with WP:WEIGHT, i.e. discussion concerning the book at the bottom of the controversies section, and material that did not comply with WP:ORIGINAL, i.e. the claim that donations to Gov. Corbett were made in exchange for policy decisions. However, I have expanded the amount of content dedicated to the Dunkard Creek Fish Kill and added content concerning more general environmental criticism of coal and natural gas production. Additionally I included material at the end discussing recognition for Consol's reclamation efforts and renamed the controversies section environmental record as the political involvement section also deals with controversies.

I have done my best to adhere to WP:NPOV in this new draft, but as I have a WP:COI with this article and the material is controversial, I'm hoping to receive some feedback and am happy to implement any changes to the draft other editors think would be beneficial before moving forward with any revisions to the article. Thanks! - CBuiltother (talk) 17:46, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

  • Good. My only comment is that I'd also add a sentence or two about Consol's ongoing environmental efforts in general alongside of citing those two particular events. Also, I'd add both of these sections under the umbrella section of "Public Affairs" or something similar. --Best, Weatherman1126 (talk) 01:37, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback Weatherman1126. I subsumed both sections under the heading Corporate responsibility based on what I've seen with other articles, but am happy to change it to Public affairs if you think that is more appropriate. I also added some more general material on the company's environmental efforts. I'll allow some additional time for you or any other interested editors to review before implementing. Thanks again! - CBuiltother (talk) 18:08, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and implemented the revisions discussed above. As always I welcome any further feedback or recommended changes to this material. Thanks! - CBuiltother (talk) 20:28, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Proposed Water Division Addition to Divisions and Areas of Business Section[edit]

Hi, first off, I want to disclose that I have a WP:COI. Consol Energy is a client of my employer New Media Strategies. For that reason, I will solely suggest edits to the article but ask that other editors implement the changes once the community has reached WP:Consensus. I have a proposed addition to this section about Consol Energy's newly formed Water Division. The proposed addition is in the dropbox below. I would recommend that it be added to the divisions and areas of business section as the second to last paragraph. I welcome any edits or recommendations. Thanks. Namk48 (talk) 14:39, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I too actually have a WP:COI; thus I limit my edits to trivial non-controversial things like "Update key figures in infobox." Given that, I see nothing wrong with what you've written. Very factual, unbiased. --Sabre ball t c 15:35, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll see if someone without a WP:COI can look it over. Namk48 (talk) 16:35, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Seems fine for me. Beagel (talk) 11:17, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Ok sounds good. As I said earlier, I will not be implementing any changes to the article, so if the addition has reached WP:Consensus, can someone please add it to the article? Thanks. Namk48 (talk) 13:02, 16 July 2012 (UTC)