Talk:Constantine Samuel Rafinesque

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I can provide you with at least 166 names of plants relating to descriptions by Rafinesque. They are mainly cacti and succulents as they have my fancy. GerardM 18:12, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your offer. But wouldn't this be a bit too exhaustive ? Rafinesque named more than a thousand species, many of them now considered invalid. Maybe this is a good idea for starting a new article : Species named by Rafinesque. When you look in ITIS you will find lots of them. On the other hand, wouldn't you consider contributing to the WikiProject:Gastropods ? I could use some help, especially from someone with wide interests. JoJan 18:24, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

Rafinesque-Schmaltz incorrect

It is true that Rafinesque may have occasionally used the name Rafinesque-Schmaltz, but this is not correct in a reference of this type. His name should be Rafinesque, and that is the name he used in virtually all of his publications. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Avihathor (talk • contribs) 5 December 2006.

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The result of the debate was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:34, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Constantine Samuel Rafinesque-Schmaltz → Constantine Samuel Rafinesque — per the above, this figure is far more commonly known simply as Rafinesque (unhyphenated), both in his own works and when cited by others. Article should be at this most common name, this WP:RM raised since the move is obstructed (target has non-trivial edit history) and needs admin action to effect. cjllw | TALK 05:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

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• Support, as and per nomination.--cjllw | TALK 05:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
• Support ANB so spells. Septentrionalis 06:47, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
• Support - I wrote the original article in May 2004 under the title "Constantine Samuel Rafinesque" as Rafinesque is his most common name. This was later altered by another user in "Constantine Samuel Rafinesque-Schmaltz". JoJan 09:35, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

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As an admin I can make this move easily, but the considerable number of double redirects will be a pain in the neck. JoJan 09:41, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

If you are game to go ahead with the move then pls do so, happy to help out with the redirects.--cjllw | TALK 09:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

It was only while living in Sicily (1805-1815) that Rafinesque added his mother's maiden name in an effort to conceal his French ancestry, because Sicily (then controlled by the British) was under threat of invasion by the French. As a consequence, his publications during that period (including the very important Analyse de la Nature) appeared under the name Rafinesque-Schmaltz. These are his publications most likely to be held by European libraries, where his name has habitually been given in the hyphenated form. He never published under that form in the United States, however. So here he has been known habitually as Rafinesque. C.Boewe 03:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

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Rafinesque's original works

A number of Rafinesque’s books and pamphlets are available, online, in facsimile for free. It would be of benefit to readers if these are listed in the Rafinesque entry, but I find that none of the URLs associated with them will open the document when pasted into another site. In each case it is necessary to click through a number of Web pages to reach the document.

I do not know how to mount this information and will be grateful if someone who does will enter it.

Philadelphia’s Academy of Natural Sciences http://nolan.acnatsci.org/search

Ichthyologia Ohiensis

Western Minerva

Gallica at the Bibliothèque Nationale de France http://gallica.bnf.fr/

A Life of Travels

Alsographia Americana

American Manual of the Mulberry Trees

American Manual of the Grape Vines

Analyse de la Nature

Atlantic Journal and Friend of Knowledge

Autikon Botanikon

Bulletin of the Historical and Natural Sciences, nos. 1, 3, 5, 7

Chloris Aetnensis

Circular Address on Botany and Zoology

Flora Telluriana

Florula Ludoviciana

Herbarium Rafinesquianum

Manual of the Medical Botany of the United States

Medical Flora, 2 vols.

Monographie des Coquilles Bivalves Fluviatiles de la Rivière Ohio

Neogenyton

New Flora and Botany of North America

Précis des Découvertes et Travaux Somiologiques

Sylva Telluriana

The Complete Writings of Constantine Smaltz Rafinesque on Recent and Fossil Conchology, ed. by G. Binney and George W. Tryon

The Good Book, and Amenities of Nature

Western Minerva

Library of Congress http://www.loc.gov/index.html

A Life of Travels

Ancient History, or, Annals of Kentucky

Medical Flora, 2 vols.

Patent Divitial Invention (description)

C.Boewe 00:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi C.Boewe, a useful bibliography. Since these works are presumably Public Domain, one approach would be to add their text to the Wikisource sister project, which is set up to hold original free texts. At least the most significant ones could be placed there. Then it is quite easy to link to them from wikipedia via one of the {{wikisource}} templates. Wikisource works quite like wikipedia, one could easily create an account there and create the pages for the entries. I haven't checked the links you've given, but if they are in copyable text format then the job would be quite easy; if they are actual scans of pamphlets then the job would of course be more difficult.--cjllw | TALK 07:03, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

As Rafinesque's bibliographer (and biographer) I can assure that all the titles listed above are public domain, and I will be happy to see the texts included in Wikisource.C.Boewe 15:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Nonsense about Rafinesque

Much of this article is nonsense because largely based on secondary articles which, in turn, mostly repeat the "traditional" beliefs about the man. I do not have the time or energy to make all the corrections needed here, but my recent Rafinesque biography (published by the American Philosophical Society in 2011) gives a true account of this interesting person and comes accompanied by a CD containing transcripts of more than 2,000 pages of his correspondence on which the narrative of the book, along with the subject's own brief autobiography, is based. Moreover, this text also identifies--citing chapter and verse--the origins of the principal myths about Rafinesque. C.Boewe (talk) 03:27, 4 January 2012 (UTC)