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- 1 Requesting help for other page
- 2 CM Owner's Perspective
- 3 Holy Nonsensical Run-on Sentence, Batman
- 4 Unsigned Discussion
- 5 Do something about it then
- 6 Potential Update for Introductory Paragraph
- 7 CMAA comments on Design-Build language
- 8 Page re-write
- 9 Page Deletion/Complete Revision by CM Professional for CM Professional
- 10 Contested deletion
- 11 merge
Requesting help for other page
This entry refers to the advocacy body of the construction management industry: the Construction Management Association of America (CMAA). I decided to create a page for this professional association because of its notable contributions to the CM industry. I am relatively new to Wikipedia- if people could offer suggestions on how I could improve the entry, or would like to contribute to the page, it would be greatly appreciated!
I also have tried to contribute researched and referenced edits to this page, and they have been deleted by pm master each time with no explanation of how I could improve my contributions. Some of my edits, such as the External Links and added definition of construction management, I believe greatly enhance the page and are from notable industry resources. Ashleypeck3 (talk) 14:35, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
CM Owner's Perspective
can anyone describe or like me to construction management from the "Owner's" perspective??
Does anyone mind if I update this page with the following outline?
- Definition of Construction Management
- Construction Contracting 101
- Construction Management Project Delivery Methods (Schemes)
- Construction Management Roles / Parties
- Construction Management Skills
- Construction Documents
- Construction Management Education
- Construction Management Resources
Please don't hesitate to communicate with me directly.
Pete Fowler (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Holy Nonsensical Run-on Sentence, Batman
From CM At-Risk:
"Upon some aspect of desired design raising the cost estimate over the budget the Owner wants to maintain, a decision can be made to modify the design concept instead of having to spend a considerable amount of time, effort and money re-designing and/or modifying completed construction documents, OR, the Owner decides to spend more money or obtain higher financial support for the project." 22.214.171.124 (talk) 19:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Do something about it then
There is no point complaining unless you will do something about it.
A fair amount of the content on this page appears to have been "lifted" directly off of the CMAA site. Why not just link to it instead of retyping???
Potential Update for Introductory Paragraph
I agree that the description on this page does not describe the CM in broad enough terms. I would like to update it with the following text, but I do not want to step someone's toes, when significant time has been spent by someone. If you have any objection, please send me a note (email@example.com). I will make the replacement soon, assuming no one objects.
Potential replacement text for introduction: "The Construction Management Association of America (CMAA) says the 120 most common responsibilities of a Construction Manager fall into the following 7 categories: 1. Project Management Planning, 2. Cost Management, 3. Time Management, 4. Quality Management, 5. Contract Administration, 6. Safety Management and 7. CM Professional Practice which includes specific activities like defining the responsibilities and management structure of the project management , organizing and leading by implementing projectcontrols, defining roles and responsibilitiesand developing communication protocols, and identifying elements of project design and construction likely to give rise to disputes and claims."
In addition, we could make reference to on-line dictionary definitioins of "Construction" and "Management" that could help frame the discussion that follows (or should follow).
CMAA comments on Design-Build language
There's nothing especially "wrong" with the new language except for a sense that it doesn't really belong on this page. Design-Build is a project delivery method, and not really comparable to Agency CM or CM At Risk, as might be inferred from this revision. We at CMAA think professional Construction Managers can play an important role in all types of project delivery methods including Design-Build. One of the major roles the CM plays in Design-Build is acting as the owner’s representative to supplement their existing staff. Owners who do not have qualified professionals on staff, will engage a CM to assist in guiding a Design-Build project through design and construction, acting as the owner’s representative.
Would it be reasonable to add some clarifying language along these lines to the article? John McKeon, VP/Communications, CMAA —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmaamckeon (talk • contribs) 15:47, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I have observed the numerous issues with this page, and have come to the conclusion that re-writing the page/creating separate pages may be the best course of action.
This article does not actually describe the discipline itself of Construction Management (i.e. a person who is a Construction Manager and what their role entails), instead describing the procurement method and the role of a Construction Project Manager (called in the industry a Project Manager). The discipline of Construction Management is actually quite complex, and is split into Project Management, Corporate Social Responsibility, Leadership, Supply Chain Management, Sustainable construction, academic discipline, and a knowledge of specialist services, among others.
I currently possess a number of documents/papers from well-renowned academics, and am proposing to write a far more balanced and well-referenced article summarising the discipline.
In this case, can I have feedback on whether we should create separate pages for the discipline, procurement method (or ‘business model’) of CM, and yet another page on Construction Project Management, or if one article split into different sections would suffice?
Page Deletion/Complete Revision by CM Professional for CM Professional
The Construction Management programs that many universities around the country started offering back in the early 1970’s and later in other countries around the world began in schools of technology and were designed for people who were currently working or had an interest in the construction field and who wanted to move up into field supervision, project management or ownership of a construction company. One of the primary purposes of Construction Management program development around the country was due to the attrition rate occurring in our construction industry of a skilled labor force and an applied science construction degree to promote the effective management of our future construction labor force.
Without this applied science construction degree program the schools of engineering and architecture could see, even back then that today we would have the saturation of professional disciplines that we now have and our industry would be top heavy with professional engineers and architects.
Construction Management is a professional discipline and practice. CMAA is not an advocacy group for the Professional Construction Manager. Rather they are a trade association for professional engineers, engineering firms and contractors who promote construction management services secondary to their primary consulting or general contracting business model. Through advocacy of the CCM certification program CMAA promotes any number of academic disciplines and even those without a bachelor’s degree to the status of professional Construction Manager.
Currently the academic professional discipline for a construction project manager is an open career path for anyone regardless of educational credential. Construction Management as advocated by CMAA and CIOB is the same and is not recognized as an academic professional discipline. Through their certification process anyone can acquire the status of Construction Manager. Today in the ranks of the CCM you will find lawyers, accountants, real estate, Civil Engineers, Mechanical Eng, Liberal Arts, Philosophy, Psychology, Math, etc.
It is obvious from the article as currently written on this page that the writer doesn’t know the difference between the professional Construction Manager and the artful practice of construction management from construction project management.
To those of us who have earned our bachelors degree in Construction Management it is a profession first and secondly a practice. I think some confuse the practice of construction project management with the Profession. As a CM about 30% - 40% of what I do is manage the construction phase of a project. And this I do through management of the project team (A/E/MEP, GC, etc.). By way of our education we typically don’t work for the Architect or Engineer we direct the Architect and Engineering teams in order to facilitate team coordination to achieve a fully integrated design to meet the necessary goals of the end user/Owner.
As a degreed professional Construction Manager for over 25 years industry contribution and experience I’m called on as an expert in the field and as such request this page be deleted and recreated by legitimate Construction Managers not an engineer, or an architect or someone outside of the profession.
As a past member of CMAA I supported the Certified Construction Manager (CCM) program they initiated. I still believe this is a good program to promote professionalism and credibility to the practice of Construction Management. What is irritating is that much of the information coming out of CMAA is from non-CM Professionals. And I see a large number of professional engineers, Architects and Lawyers attempting to define the profession.
The following is what the CMAA defines CPM (Not the scheduling term) as. In practice and from my experience this is not an accurate description of what a Project Managers role is. Seldom is the PM involved in overall planning like a CM is, neither does the PM coordinate and control a project from inception to completion like a Professional CM is trained to do. I’m not sure who wrote this for CMAA but it was not well thought out. The second paragraph I think most Professional CM’s would agree with.
Construction Project Management is the overall planning, coordination and control of a project from inception to completion aimed at meeting a client’s requirements in order to produce a functionally and financially viable project that will be completed on time within authorized cost and to the required quality standards. Project management is the process by which a project is brought to a successful conclusion. Construction project management (CPM) is project management that applies to the construction sector (3rd Forum ”International Construction Project Management” 26th/27 June 2003 in Berlin).
The Construction Management Association of America (CMAA) (a primary US construction management certification and advocacy body) says the 120 most common responsibilities of a Construction Manager fall into the following 7 categories: Project Management Planning, Cost Management, Time Management, Quality Management, Contract Administration, Safety Management, and CM Professional Practice which includes specific activities like defining the responsibilities and management structure of the project management team, organizing and leading by implementing project controls, defining roles and responsibilities and developing communication protocols, and identifying elements of project design and construction likely to give rise to disputes and claims.
This is more accurately defined as;
Construction Management encompasses seven general areas of practice.
Strategic Project Planning, Schedule and Budget Management, Time Management, Quality Management, Contract Administration, Safety Management, and CM Professional Practice which includes specific activities like defining the responsibilities and management structure of the project management team, organizing and leading by implementing project controls, defining roles and responsibilities and developing communication protocols, and construction disputes and claims mitigation.
The educational scope defined for the professional discipline is: The formal education in Construction Management equips the Construction Manager in seven major categories of higher education Finance, Business, Computer Science, Engineering, Science, Architecture, Construction Law and Construction Practicum.
By definition; Construction Management is a professional discipline acquired through formal education and a through application a management delivery process created specifically to promote the successful execution of capital projects for owners.
The professional Construction Manager provides a balance of expertise that lends itself to the effective management of all facets of the delivery process (initial concept, planning, design, construction, etc.) eliminating the need to retain individuals on the project budget for compartmentalized task assignments. By involving a professional Construction Manager from the earliest stages of a project, the Owner maximizes their chance to achieve a smooth and trouble-free design and construction process that will surely meet the requirements of the Owner/End-User. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jskeith (talk • contribs) 10:37, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- Hi! Obviously you are promoting your website and your business. I know that you are new to Wikipedia so please don't. You can't just ask for an article to be deleted just because you don't like it. There are many people that contributed to this article and I think all of them do not agree with you. I have removed your promotional signature, please don't add it again and please don't use Wikipedia as a vehicle for promoting your business.Pm master (talk) 11:39, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
This page should not be speedy deleted because the person requesting deletion is asking for the page to be deleted just because his edits are being questioned. This is not the right way. The article was completely rewritten based on one person's sole view of construction management, which obviously is not aligned with all the other previous editors... --Pm master (talk) 11:28, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Most of the universities have a field named construction engineering and management, not Construction management or Construction engineering. These two (Construction management and Construction engineering) cannot be separate. I proposed to merge these articles and change the name of the destination article to construction engineering and management. Thanks, Pirehelokan (talk) 19:24, 10 August 2014 (UTC)