Talk:Contra dance choreography

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References: sources and citations[edit]

It would be great to get citations to about five or so published books on contra dance choreography. Ted Sannella, Tony Parkes, and Larry Jennings come to mind as likely candidates. Also useful for the lead article too, to rescue the article from the eventual "no references" challenge. -- Yellowdesk 07:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Lead section[edit]

The Lead section seems too detailed to me. Its last 3 paragraphs could be moved to a new "Structure" (or "Structure of a contra dance") section to be placed immediately below the lead. A summary of that section could then be added back to the lead. This may or may not require re-thinking which part(s) of this article are used in Contra_dance#Choreography. Your thoughts? --rich<Rich Janis 10:11, 31 July 2007 (UTC)>

I'd say go for it, but I'd advise against "Structure of a contra dance…" — "form" itself is already a term made up for WP, and we don't need to muddy things even more. I'd say "Overview," if we had to give it a name, but you could just keep it as it is (without a title) and force the table of contents to appear above it.
Thanks, Eitch. Based on your first sentence, I'll look forward to working on this "real soon now". You've got me now leaning toward "Terminology", which I don't love, but think is appropriate enough. We'll see what fits when it's done, and if someone changes it, no biggie, but for the record I can't warm up to either "Overview" (because I don't think that's what it would be) or to leaving it nameless (I'm sure we can find some title that fits). Anyway, this is what I like about differing opinions, for you got me to think of alternatives. --rich<Rich Janis 02:14, 9 August 2007 (UTC)>

Contra Corners diagrams[edit]

Regarding the contra corners diagram in this article, and the more detailed diagram (linked from there), there is a discussion of issues and alternatives at the Contra Corners Diagram topic on the main contra dance talk page. --rich<Rich Janis 01:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)>

Petronella[edit]

A clap at the end of Petronella is not an embellishment (ie. adding something where before there was nothing), it is an alteration of the move. Rather than finishing the turn by taking hands and pulling into a balance, people are standing alone clapping. Clapping makes the move a bit more solitary, less of a group activity in that it removes a physical connection. Plus, if someone the group is clapping, those on both sides of the clapper can't fulfill the move as it was intended. -- astro46<astro46 20:23, 25 November 2008 >

The status of the clap as "embellishment" or as "alteration" needs to be established by independent source, as should the "controversy" surrounding these statements. It's clear to those in the contra dance community that certain people are opinionated about this move and its putative effect on the dance. However, none of the statements to this effect will be clear to outsiders (i.e., typical users of Wikipedia) and hence, reference to this should be avoided unless external substantiation is provided. Even invocation of the "folk process" is suspect. Some callers suggest Ralph Page may have taught the move this way, but consultation of Page's writings (some of which are digitized here: http://www.izaak.unh.edu/dlp/NorthernJunket/pages/index.htm) only reveals a difference in old-timers and new-timers (in Page's generation) about the ORDER of the balance and the turn in the move (see http://www.izaak.unh.edu/dlp/NorthernJunket/pages/NJv10/NJv10-02/NJv.10.02.p19.htm). This might be rather more relevant to the problems that dancers experience with this move. 24.1.104.69 (talk) 15:46, 3 August 2013 (UTC)