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Cornwall: A British or Celtic nation?
"Cornwall is the traditional homeland of the Cornish people and is recognised as one of the Celtic nations." As there is limited known input from the Celts of Gaul in Cornwall, should it not be a British nation? Like England, Scotland, Wales? Fergananim (talk) 21:17, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
That Cornish people have been designated a minority status under European rules for the protection of national minorities (BBC report here, [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10783741/Cornish-to-be-given-national-minority-status.html Torygraph here), is notable and should be included in this article. Should we wait for Danny Alexander's anouncement in Bodmin today, before deciding what is included on the page? Daicaregos (talk) 09:16, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, I only read this note after I'd already added a couple of sentences (attempting to avert IP edit warring). So, it's now mentioned, but in my view any detailed discussion would be better at the Cornish people article. As I understand it, the decision refers to the Cornish as a minority group, rather than to the area - although obviously there is a very big overlap, there is a conceptual difference which we should recognise. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:12, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Mapping the language
I think it might be an idea to map the distribution of Cornish-language placenames. eg Using OS data, it would be practical to plot Tre Pol and Pen. Does that sound worthwhile? It might be possible to extend that further (eg to show density, or the ratio of Cornish to Anglo-Saxon names) but would that end up being original research?--Nilfanion (talk) 09:43, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
- In my view it's perilously close to being original research. Of course, if reputable scholars have produced such a map it could be redrawn by WP:GRAPHLAB, but I'm still unsure of what its value would be for this article - though it would be perfect in an article on Cornish toponymy. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:26, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
- That is what I was thinking, any follow-on stuff (which has real value - eg showing the English/Cornish divide) almost certainly is OR. However just plotting locations with no interpretation, should be OK. I sgree not really relevant to this article, though it could be to Cornish language (or the Tre, Pol, Pen article).--Nilfanion (talk) 10:34, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
"The Corn- part comes from the hypothesised original tribal name of the Celtic people who had lived here since the Iron Age, the Cornovii."
Seems a bit convoluted...
Has nobody remarked that Kornog is "West" in Breton?
Cornwall was also known as West Wales.