Talk:Cory Doctorow

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Books and Countries[edit]

I'm not a regular editor and please excuse me if I'm going about this wrong, but I'm curious about how the countries are chosen for Doctorow's books. Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom is listed as Canadian but most of the others are of the United States. Why are the books of Canadian born author living in London considered to be of the United States? Maybe it's a publishing thing but if it's an issue with the wikipedia pages I feel they should be addressed. And I probably won't be following up on this, it's just something I think should be brought to your attention. --12:05, 30 March 2013 (PST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.77.144.186 (talk)

"Doctorow's Law"[edit]

Has this "law" become well known enough to be given a name? It's hardly a Murphy's or Sod's. The same question about "metacrap" too, "popularised" ? In what way is it popular? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.181.67.82 (talk) 18:17, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Doctorow's law:
http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/columns-and-blogs/cory-doctorow/article/44012-doctorow-s-first-law.html
http://www.utne.com/media/cory-doctorow-copyright-activist-reform-boingboing.aspx
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2014/feb/05/digital-rights-management?CMP=twt_gu
https://www.siggraph.org/s2011/for_media/siggraph-2011-selects-cory-doctorow-keynote-speaker
http://siggraphmediablog.blogspot.com/2011/08/siggraph-keynote-cory-doctorow-speaks.html
http://rhizome.org/editorial/2011/aug/12/cory-doctorows-siggraph-2011-keynote/
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140206/10323526118/drm-is-right-to-make-up-your-own-copyright-laws.shtml
http://2014.penguicon.org/cory-doctorow-returns-for-penguicon-2014/
Metacrap:
http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Metacrap%22
http://www.well.com/~doctorow/metacrap.htm
http://courses.ischool.berkeley.edu/i202/f12/node/80
http://www.wired.com/2007/05/metacrap_and_fl/
--Guy Macon (talk) 23:48, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply regarding the "law", though half your links don't mention it and the rest are written by Cory. However, this wiki article is of course not important enough to warrant further time on such trivia, I'll leave it in your hands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.146.150.181 (talk) 10:52, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Cory Doctorow and Creative Commons[edit]

User:EBY3221 :

"Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom, Doctorow's first novel, was published in January 2003, and was the first novel released under one of the Creative Commons licences, allowing readers to circulate the electronic edition as long as they neither made money from it nor used it to create derived works. The electronic edition was released simultaneously with the print edition. In March 2003, it was re-released with a different Creative Commons licence that allowed derivative works such as fan fiction, but still prohibited commercial usage."

The reference footnotes to only Doctorow's Creative Commons licensed works, (most without wikipedia entries) describes the chronological and subject scope of his Creative Commons licensing. Template:Gutenberg author and Jane Austen are not relevant for this case. The Wikipedia:Spam guidelines do not apply to non-commercial non-anonymous non-self-promotion links.

User:EBY3221, Please defend your repeated undos.Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 00:41, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
  • The appropriate place to put a link to the electronic, downloadable collection of an author's work is in the "external links" section of the article. What your edit did was put "Download free copies..." at several reference points incorrectly. See ref 17 & 18 on this edit. To my mind, and other editors may disagree, that's a form of Citation spam because it does nothing to verify article content, just populates links over and over to the same two sites. But assuming good faith, and I deeply apologize for clearly not doing so earlier- that is out of character for me, - it's still not proper use of citations. One added point - I only "undid" once. The second edit was a stop, look, and research - I moved the Gutenberg link to the top of the external refs, double-checked & corrected its format, and added a library search of Doctorow's works. EBY (talk) 01:01, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
I tend to agree that special links to download a PDF of a book should go in external links. That said I think the citation templates allow a URL, no? If so couldn't the URL point to the book?--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 01:30, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure why I was invited to this discussion by Xb2u7Zjzc32, but I agree that a download link is appropriately placed in the "External links" section, and not in the body of the article. If the free version of the novel is used as a reference in the body, the link can be part of the reference, hyperlinked to the title (as is normal in references), but there should not be any "advertisement" to download in those references. Simply including multiple invitations to download, with no other reference germane to the article, is, indeed, spam. BMK (talk) 01:57, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Similar confusion as Beyond My Ken, and agree that the download should show be in the EL section as the official website (or similar). But why is there so much unreferenced content? Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:14, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Thirded, and not much to add. (I have probably edited the article at some point, but only wikignome stuff ...) Given that there is a page for Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom that can be linked to if necessary (and considering all the general links to Cory Doctorow works in the External links section) I don't even see any need to include a download link here. I haven't noticed an excessive amount of unreferenced content, personally, though. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 02:54, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Fourthed. It appears 'Xb2u7Zjzc32' has pinged over 60 editors about this issue. IIRC 'embedded' external links are at least discouraged. Adding a large number (≈32) going to the same website/s certainly looks spammy. It is also unnecessary. Doing the same as a 'reference' where it doesn't actually verify content, is similarly 'spammy'. These links, after a piece of text could mislead readers into thinking it is sourced, when it is not. The page had this text on it:
  • 2004 Locus Award for Best First Novel for Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom[17][18]
'Sources' 17 and 18 were actually links to download websites.
I frequently 'convert in-text lks to refs' like I did here on the Cory Doctorow page. This sort of linking is similar to bare URLs, no title, author, publishing date, access date, publisher, etc. If the link goes dead it may be difficult to find it again, without that information.
• I don't think EBY3221 has anything to defend.
• As Walter Gorlitz points out some content is unsourced. WP would be better off if we were adding sources for the un-sourced parts of the page, not discussing what I see as a non-issue.
• Editor Xb2u7Zjzc32 has been warned about this sort of linking before, here for example.--220 of Borg 05:34, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Agreed, though I'm not sure why I was invited to the discussion, especially since it's no secret that I'm not exactly a fan of excessive external links in articles. Using the book itself as a reference is one thing, using that as an excuse to provide a download link, especially in that manner, is quite another. - Aoidh (talk) 19:56, 17 June 2014 (UTC)