Talk:Counterculture of the 1960s

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Orphaned references in Counterculture of the 1960s[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Counterculture of the 1960s's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "public.federation-anarchiste.org":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 12:27, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Origins and early development[edit]

I find it hard to believe the Counterculture of the 1960s is an US phenomenon that developed first and spread from the US and the UK. The article cites this source:

  • Hirsch, E.D. (1993). The Dictionary of Cultural Literacy. Houghton Mifflin. ISBN 978-0-395-65597-9. p 419. "Members of a cultural protest that began in the U.S. in the 1960s and affected Europe before fading in the 1970s ... fundamentally a cultural rather than a political protest."

as to back the statment of an US-first development. I find that this is not not enough. A more full discussion on the origins and first developments are needed. This is not to say the US and UK branches of the counterculture are not very important but to examine the early development and give due weight to other branches. Dentren | Talk 18:34, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for your participation here, which is clearly Good Faith. However, instead of tainting the article with a "dubious" note in the first sentence, it might have been more appropriate (although admittedly difficult) to actually document your contention and make any necessary changes. Yes, the origins of this movement should certainly be more deeply explored, as should every aspect of the article. Beyond that, your participation in the article would be greatly appreciated, as there are few active editors! If you fully explore the raft of refs on this page, I think you'll then agree that there is consensus among historians, journalists, and others as to 1960s counterculture being borne of activities in the the US and UK. Efforts have been made in the article to document counterculture activities elsewhere throughout the world, but that's not where the heart of the history resides. So, I propose that you re-write the lead with cites documenting your alternative hypothesis, whatever that may be. Barring that, I will remove your note at some point soon, and provide additional cites to the prevailing opinion, as I do agree that there should be stronger documentation. Likewise, no one can prove a negative, such as "the counterculture DID NOT emanate as discussed and documented." There have been 100s of thousands of views of this page and no one has ever proposed an alternative geographic locus for the counterculture. Sincerely interested in your reply, and best wishes! Learner001 (talk) 15:42, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
More: to your point, obviously a lot of things were going on elsewhere simultaneously. The trouble is that it's extremely difficult to document such activities under RS, especially on an English language page. Perhaps review the timeline and consider inclusion of other relevant international counterculture events, etc. Please be active on this page! Learner001 (talk) 16:00, 28 October 2014 (UTC)