Talk:Crime in Washington, D.C.

Statistics

Can anybody please update the statistical table? I don't find a source from which the figures are taken.

Homicide

Why is there no table with homicide trends?

Crime

Would someone be willing to create an updated DC Homicide map? The only there right now is sort outdated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.16.63.209 (talk) 20:11, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Violent crime isn't the only crime in DC. As violent crime has decreased in the city, robberies have been soaring. See The Common Denominator[1] for October 2005 numbers.

These statistics do not take into account the unreported robberies. In Columbia Heights many robberies do not get reported because the victims are recent immigrants, many illegal, who do not speak English, do not trust the police and who get paid in cash. Many long time residents will also not report crimes to the police because there was a time when many officers would pass along a complainants personal information to drug dealers. --unsigned by 156.80.172.222

You make some good points. Yes, there has been a recent spike in robberies in DC and feel free to note that in this article. And, the number of robberies is still drastically less than 10 years ago (3057 in 2004 vs. 6311 in 1994) [2]. Though, you're correct to note the decrease in robberies in the past decade has been far less substantial for the 3rd district (as well as the 6th district). In the rest of the city, the decrease has been very substantial.

As for the percentage of robberies not reported to the police, yes it's a significant portion. Nationally, only 61% of robberies [3] (2004) were reported to the police. Though, the percentage of robberies has been fairly consistent (55-61%) since 1993 (when these statistics were first collected). I'm not sure the portion of robberies reported to police in Columbia Heights has changed subtantially either over that time period, to skew the trends and numbers. --Aude 16:57, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

True. I just felt it was important to note that despite the overall, and significant, drop in crime from 10 years ago, some crimes are experiencing local spikes, possibly due to resentment generated by gentrification and the opportunities (for more rewarding criminal activity) provided by it. Now, I'm not talking 1993 levels here, but with the revitalization going on in the neighborhoods mentioned in the article, ready targets for crime are more numerous than they were even two years ago. I think I was mainly trying to point out that you are more likely to be robbed in D.C. than you are to be murdered, and it seemed like crime in dc would be an appropriate place to mention it.

I really don't know enough about conditions in the rest of the city to be able to comment on them. --unsigned by Pdags

Thanks for the good thoughts. When I get a chance, I can try to articulate these important nuances in the article. If you look at the MPDC crime stats, you also see that auto thefts have gone up gradually over the years in District 3. So maybe some crime stats like homicide respond differently to forces of gentrification than do other types of crime (e.g. robbery and auto theft). Do the same patterns hold true for neighborhoods in other cities that have experienced gentrifcation (e.g. Boston, New York?)? I don't know the answer. --Aude 18:56, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Keep in mind that FBI statistics include robbery as a "violent crime." The 2004 statistics do account for robbery (although that does not account for this year's crime wave).

In the spring of 2008, a series of incidents wherein multiple shootings occurred inside a short period of time inspired DC to repeatedly initiate "All Hands on Deck" responses, in which patrol officers flood the streets. Foot patrols were deployed, with officers walking the streets in twos or threes, many in bulletproof vests. The goal of increased police visibility was achieved; however, shootings continued to occur, some near "hotspots" and police stations. Typically, the primary result of these "crime emergencies" is a large number of arrests on minor charges, many involving drugs and outstanding warrants. Prechuredrop (talk) 16:13, 20 May 2008 (UTC) Ten years later, the need for an update here is even greater. I'm tempted to delete the graphic but not sure if that is the best way to highlight the need. Bangabandhu (talk) 00:45, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

NYC comparison

I don't think this NYC comparison is needed here. While it's helpful that Mr Brown added qualifications to the comparison (see below), I think the comparison should just be omitted, as the explanation I think needs to be far more nuanced. I also don't agree with a blanket statement "the worst sections of New York were regarded as similarly violent as anywhere in D.C." — crime is highly localized to certain neighborhoods. This is explained in the article, in regards to D.C. and how the crime patterns have shifted. And, not all parts of D.C. were as violent as the "worst" sections of NYC (most of D.C., west of Rock Creek Park, has been generally safe all along; much safer than the "worst" sections of NYC).

By contrast, when New York City, with 7.3 million people at the time, hit its highest homicide count and rate with 2,245 murders in 1990, this meant a murder rate of "only" 30.66 per 100,000. It has to be said though that the worst sections of New York were regarded as similarly violent as anywhere in D.C., but due to New York's murder rate being spread across a far larger population which includes a far higher percentage of upper/middle class areas, the rates between D.C. and larger American/world cities are skewed somewhat.

-Aude (talk | contribs) 22:02, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Aude, Washington's murder rate in the early 90's when including the MSA plummets to just over 15 per 100,000. The MSA then was just under 4 million, so I think New York was MORE violent than Washington at that time. Power Society (talk) 08:02, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Gun control laws

Generally

Adding something about the recent decisions by the Circuit Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit seems very relevant here. A 3-judge panel of the court ruled the DC gun laws unconstitutional, and the full court refused to hear the matter in May 2007 -- the District now has 90 days to decide whether to appeal to SCOTUS.croll 18:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC) (Edit: Nevermind. I see it now at the end of a paragraph.)

Virginia

This statement added by 12.96.58.22 lacks any sources and has been removed:

"Those same critics also fail to point out that in Virginia where there is virtually no gun control, that crime is much lower, even in areas adjacent to the city such as Fairfax and Arlington."

As well, I think this argument is flawed, as crime rates have much more to do with socio-economic factors than anything else. Fairfax and Arlington have very median household incomes, compared to Washington, D.C. and the national average. [4] A far more suitable comparison is to Richmond, Virginia, which was ranked the 9th most dangerous city in the United States [5] in 2005. Despite that, I highly doubt Richmond's crime rate has anything more/less to do with gun control laws than does D.C.'s crime rate.

Nonetheless, if reputable references backing up "those same critics", then I would consider reinserting the statement. -Aude (talk | contribs) 14:44, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Another similar comment has been posted just yesterday, this time pakcing an extra bit of non-NPOV: "Guns are not the problem. On the contrary, lax criminal penalties and laws that disarm the law-abiding are responsible for giving criminals a safer working environment" Not only is this heavily biased and lacking in credibility, it is an over-simplified and guileless assumption followed by no punctuation mark. No offense meant though; I see your point, 167.21.1.225, you just have to back it up and check your grammar/style. -Sebsmoot 03:01, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I have included the homicide rates from 2006 in Richmond and Baltimore for comparison in the gun control section. They are based on the latest complete FBI statistics. Hopefully they will contribute to the reader's understanding of whether Washington's gun laws affect the homicide rate. I know this is a politically sensitive issue, having grown up in Washington, but these are non-partisan statistics, so please don't vandalize them. Nlandau (talk) 07:19, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Your statistics source now shows the exact opposite. DC gun murder rates fell as DC gun control was slashed in 2008. DC went from estimated 0 non law enforcement gun owning households in 2008 to an estimated 10,000 today. Its gun murder rate fell about 23% since 2008. Baltimore which increased gun control had its gun murder rate rise by about 30%. Richmond in Virginia which saw a very large increase in gun carry, saw a decrease of about 30% since 2007. I am not saying you can for certain attribute an absolute causality, but the data tends shows the opposite of your snapshot.Explainador (talk) 01:06, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Cause & effect?

This sentence:

Crime rates in Washington have been dropping consistently for over ten years, and as a result gentrification has swept eastward across the District....

oversimplifies a very complex process that has been occurring in Washington, DC. For example, the opening of several new Metro stations has had at least as large an effect on gentrification in several neighborhoods (U Street, Columbia Heights) as the decrease in crime. MrDarwin 20:34, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I wrote that as an edit to the previous statement that gentrification itself is the cause of the drop in Washington's violent crime rate. I am a native of Washington, and the trend is almost always that gentrification occurs when it is perceived that a neighborhood is becoming safer. The Metro does have an influence, as do housing prices, commuting distances, nearby nightlife, etc. I did take umbrage to the assertion that the dislocation of locals, like myself, is the *cause* of the drop in Washington's crime over the past 15 years.

I see that someone has again included a long section stating that gentrification is the cause in the drop in crime rates, without attribution that this is in fact the cause. Gentrification has undoubtedly occurred, but many other things could be the causes of the drop in crime. For one thing, crime has dropped nationally since 1992, more police were put on the streets, assault weapons were banned for 12 years, etc. I can't say which of these things (if any) caused a drop in the crime rate, but one can't say that gentrification was the cause, either. The assertion that pushing out the local Washingtonians is the direct and sole cause of the drop in crime smacks of bigotry. Anyway, absent some substantive support, some milder and more verifiable language should be inserted. I hope you approve of my edits in this area.

Nlandau (talk) 07:25, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that noting the plain fact that people of lower income, worldwide, have higher rates of violent crime perpetration and victimization is "bigoted." What would be bigoted is saying that the people who are poor deserve to be elevate rate victims or will continue higher perpetration rates even if educated and subject to other policies that help them out of poverty.

In terms of your other causal factors to the drop in violent crime, the main one appears to be increased incarceration rates. Violent crime is a very very high repeat rate among arrestees. indeed murder victims in US cities run 80% to 90% persons with criminal records. Increased incarceration rate removes large sets of potential perpetrators, and large sets of potential victims. Police size in DC hasn't really changed. Also generally since 1992 gun restrictions dropped nationally. As far as assault rifles, these appear to be statistically trivial in gun death before the ban, during the ban and after the ban and did not decrease with the ban nor increase after the ban expired and the number of assault rifles increased by about 50x. DC saw a decline in gun murder since it lifted its handgun ban as well.

As far as gentrification being the sole cause, this does not seem to be the case, but looking at the article history does not seem to have been argued as the case either. What is the case is gentrification is one of the factors that cause a drop in crime -- and that those drops in crime cause gentrification. so thy are related but the causality is complex, essentially a feedback loop. Explainador (talk) 00:32, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Who is deleting the overview?

I keep adding an overview, reciting Washington's key violent crime indicators and what they mean for a city of Washington's size. This is quite salient. Also, it took a fair amount of work to download the FBI statistics in spreadsheet format and rank Washington against other cities of 100,000+ residents, and it is strange that the information was deleted without comment.

Notable incidents

What makes a crime incident notable? It's good that the list hasn't gotten out of hand like lists of notables found in other articles, but perhaps we should define a scope now? There have got to be hundreds or thousands of 'incidents' of crime that received alot of media coverage, such as the mugging of Supreme Court justice David Souter, or the mugging of Theresa Heinz Kerry, or the espionage cases, or the congressional approval of the iraq war... the list can go on and on. Should we limit the list to violent crimes? homicides? -Taco325i 17:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't apply directly, but see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history#Popular_culture for my opinion on this type of issue. The incident needs to have a notable impact on policy or other major impact of some sort. The list should eventually be put into more of a prose/narrative form, and incorporated into the rest of the article. --Aude (talk) 16:23, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Reopening this discussion. I am going to clear out any incidents that didn't have a direct impact on crime in the city. There has to be some sort of threshold for what gets listed here as it cannot simply be a list of famous people who were robbed. Best, epicAdam^(talk) 21:48, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Removed material, including the list. It's still in the history if there is anything worth incorporating. --Aude (talk) 01:51, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, the mayor of the city puffing away on a crack pipe would certainly be worthy of mention if you're going to add such a section. I remember how horrified and embarassed I was as a DC resident when that happened. Particularly, as I gazed out my law school window and saw the very same flicker of the crack pipe against the walls of the building across the street.Arlesd (talk) 01:05, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

DC v.s Fairfax County

That section where it compares the murder rate in Fairfax County and DC is extremely misleading. Fairfax County is the richest county in Virginia, and the population is predominantly white and Korean suburbans. They're two very, very, very different places.

Gentrification

How can anyone be 100% certain that gentrification was the cause of reduced violent crime? Is there any evidence that can prove irrefutably that gentrification was the cause of the (somewhat) decreased violent crime rate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.14.108.181 (talk) 03:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I think the whole "gentrification" section should be deleted. For one thing, it is inaccurate. The rise in robberies during recent years is in fact concentrated in the gentrifying neighborhoods. See the Washington Post article and excellent accompanying graphic at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/12/AR2006101201813.html The idea that crime has dropped as a result of gentrification is completely undocumented here, seems counterintuitive, and at least in the case of robberies is untrue. Unless the author of the gentrification section reforms the section I plan to replace it with a neighborhood analysis of crime. A discussion of gentrification doesn't really belong on a page devoted to crime, anyway. 24.175.143.51 (talk) 03:35, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Looking at the trend since 2006 in fact the was a significant violent crime decline relative to the city in gentrified areas with some lag. And your citation is not for gentrified areas, but for non gentrified or neutral change a nightlife areas that people from gentrified neighborhoods were traveling to more frequently.

Increased gentrification and significant decreased in crime are clearly correlated nationally and in cities like District of Columbia and therefore the topic does belong in the article. They are phenomena that go hand in hand and clearly related

Where the problem occurs is in asserting either as causal.

There is science showing a drop in crime follows gentrification, and there science showing drops in crime lead to gentrification. The latest conclusions in the science is that rather than only one causing the other there is more of a "self reinforcing mechanism" and that both are causal to the other. In simple terms: some factors including gentrification caused crime to drop, then the drop n crime causes more middle and upper income people to move in, thus causing crime to drop, thus causing gentrification -- in a feedback loop.Explainador (talk) 00:15, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

References

This article would be improved by use of both online sources and those that are offline or available by subscription only. An in-depth article, such as the one in The Observer, talks in great depth about the crime problems of the early 1990s, while the New York Times article only gives a brief mention about the early 1990s. Thus, it's worth using, even though it's not freely available online. --Aude (talk) 17:11, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

No worries. If we were just going to cite that fact that the city was the "murder capital", I thought the previous source would be enough. However, just exactly what is The Observer? A newspaper? If so, we should provide page numbers and a URL (if available) even if it only links to an non-free archive. Best, epicAdam^(talk) 17:16, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I have re-formatted the reference, with a link. These type of articles are available from databases such as LexisNexis or ProQuest, with search by article title, publisher, date, author, etc. --Aude (talk) 17:26, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Good stuff. I trust you, Aude. ;-) This article is already looking so much better. Thanks for the help! -epicAdam^(talk) 17:42, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

US Attorneys

In regards to the WaPo article "D.C. Sees Sharp Drop In Federal Prosecution", as the title suggests, the article discusses a decrease in federal prosecutions in U.S. District Court only. It does not mention the drop in local prosecutions, for which the US Attorneys are also responsible, as cited in the reference provided by the DC Superior Court. If what the US Attorney says in the WaPo article is correct, and that they are indeed shifting cases from the United States District Court for the District of Columbia to the Superior Court of the District of Columbia, then there shouldn't be any decline in prosecution at the local level; in fact, you would expect to see a rise in the number of local prosecutions as more are shifted out of the US District Court. What does make sense is that budget cuts have caused the US Attorney's office to fire prosecutors, which is what I have changed the article to reflect. Best, epicAdam^(talk) 06:32, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Crack Epidemic

Is the crack epidemic the root of all crime in the history of the District of Columbia? I remember that there were police, a drug epidemic and major problems prior to that. Although I appreciate the impact of the crack epidemic on urban centers across the country and DC in particular, if the rubric is Crime in Washington, the overview should maybe address the changes over the history of the city in the root of crime and the impact on its population. Either that or change the title. 71.251.59.145 (talk) 17:02, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

No, of course the crack epidemic was not the start. The very opening of the article explains how changing demographics (namely white flight) began a process of economic recession and neighborhood decay, which are the primary sources of crime. There should be sources that have all this type of information, I suggest you be bold and help to improve the article. Best, epicAdam^(talk) 17:47, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Gun laws

"Results from the ATF's Youth Crime Gun Interdiction Initiative indicate that the percentage of imported guns involved in crimes is tied to the stringency of local firearm laws."

This is a vague statement, what does it mean? It can go either way. It seems like some liberal attempt to not offend the other liberals by not being specific, as in: the stricter the laws the higher the gun crimes.Omegadeluxesupreme (talk)

No clue what that is trying to say. I would remove it. -epicAdam^(talk) 11:17, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Gun crime, or gun use in crime?

The section on gun control laws makes reference to increased gun crime being inversely proportional to the gun control laws. Can someone clarify if the gun crime figures reported include convictions for carrying firearms in public (which is seemingly not prohibited in other states/cities) or if the gun crime figures are only crimes involving the actual USE of firearms. In short, if (just suppose) guns were prohibited nationwide, and carrying them was convicted in every part of the US, would the figures here be lower then everywhere else, as opposed to the apparently higher then elsewhere figures purported? MrZoolook (talk) 13:13, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Looking at the data, DC's actual guns used in crime rate is significantly elevated from the mean. So even if your remove things like DC arresting and prosecuting people who have committed no crime for possession of an expended shotgun shell, its gun crime rate is very high. But violent gun crime of guns used in crime generally dropped since handguns were legalized there in 2008.Explainador (talk) 23:59, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Replacing graph of homicide counts with graph of homicide rates

The homicide counts don't take into account population changes. The standard within criminology is to state the value as x/100,000 souls. I've created a graph of DC's homicide rates from 1960 to 2012, also including the US total homicide rate for the same period. I'm replacing the existing chart. Just an fyi. Anastrophe (talk) 05:14, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

This whole page is badly in need of an update. Bangabandhu (talk) 00:44, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Prisons which commonly hold DC inmates?

It may be good to find out which BOP prisons commonly hold DC inmates.

• http://www.pdsdc.org/docs/default-source/default-document-library/adult-community-and-confinement-access-guide.pdf?sfvrsn=0
  • Lists: FPC Alderson, FCI Allenwood, Annapolis Junction, FCI Bennettsville, USP Big Sandy, FCI Butner, FCI Beckley, FCI Coleman, FCI Danbury, FCI Cumberland, FCI Edgefield, FCI Estill, FCI Fort Dix, FCI Hazleton (Women), FCI Jesup, USP Lee, USP McCreary, FCI Petersburg, FDC Philadelphia, FCI Ray Brook, FCI Schuylkill, FMC Lexington, and FCI Williamsburg
• http://dccouncil.us/files/performance_oversight/CIC_performance_oversight_pre-hearing_questions_.pdf
  • Individuals from the DC CIC traveled to: USP Allenwood, FCI Allenwood Low, USP Beaumont, FCI Fairton, FCI Manchester, USP McCreary, Rivers Correctional Institution
• http://dctaxi.dc.gov/event/cic-inspection-usp-mccreary - USP McCreary
• https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2014/dec/3/reenergized-dc-corrections-information-council-targets-jail-and-prison-conditions/ - USP McCreary

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25.9% gun ownership with about 25% of it being illegal

The numbers of non law enforcement gun owners in DC are about 4,000 and law enforcement 3,000 to 5,000. With DC gun ownership at 25.9% in peer reviewed study this means about 1 in 4 DC residents is an illegal firearms owner. I think this is notable.Explainador (talk) 04:44, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

I assume the survey you're referring to is this one, Kalesan et. al. 2015: https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/injuryprev/early/2015/06/09/injuryprev-2015-041586.full.pdf?keytype=ref&ijkey=doj6vx0laFZMsQ2

The number of respondents completing the nationwide survey was 4622, so you'd expect about 10 to be from DC if the U.S. population were sampled uniformly. Since they came up with 25.9%, it seems likely they had 27 DC respondents (or at least, that many remaining after "propensity score matching with 2010 American Community Survey sample with selection within strata by weighted sampling with replacements ... to obtain a nationally representative population"). With such a small sample, the error bars are very large: the 95% confidence interval for 7 out of 27 is 5.85 - 46.0%.

On top of that, "YouGov invited 11,471 potential participants, out of which 5392 (47.0%) started the survey and eventually 4622 (40.3%) completed the survey." It's not unreasonable to think that gun owners might care about gun ownership more than non-gun-owners, and thus be more likely to participate in and complete a survey on the topic.

In short, this study is not good evidence for a DC gun ownership rate of 25.9%. Maybe there's a survey out there with better data, possibly even focused on DC (which this survey was not). 74.92.140.243 (talk) 17:20, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

UCR Infobox

I updated the UCR Infobox to the 2018 numbers from the FBI. A couple of notes:

• While the previous numbers were stated to be from 2016, most of them were in fact from 2014, and the reference pointed to the 2014 version of the UCR.
• I used the 2018 numbers because 2019 is still marked "preliminary" on the FBI site.
• I also updated the reference to point to 2018's UCR.
• The previous Property Crime *rate* was stated as 98,982.5; I have no idea where this number came from (it would imply one property crime for every seven residents). All property crime entries in the actual FBI UCR that I've seen are much closer to 2018's 4,373.8. (Update: it was part of an act of flat-out vandalism that went uncorrected for three years: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Crime_in_Washington,_D.C.&diff=next&oldid=767962507 )

If someone could eyeball both the reference and the page to double-check for typos, I'd appreciate it. 74.92.140.243 (talk) 17:32, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

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Why was this removed?

In November 2023, it was reported that the number of carjackings for the year so far had increased by 104% compared to the same time period during the previous year. This was attributed to repeat carjackings by serial carjackers under the age of 18, whom the city had repeatedly arrested and released. City leaders were "trying to find a solution" to this problem. Fox 5 reported that "current D.C. law makes it difficult to hold young people accountable for their actions."

SquirrelHill1971 (talk) 19:39, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

It was removed because of the heading your used: "Decriminalization of carjacking by people under 18". As I said in my summary, it has not been decriminalized. Your POV edits across multiple articles are a problem. If you want to add material then it needs to be neutral, accurate, and reliably sourced. Two out of three is not sufficient. Meters (talk) 20:21, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

I agree with Meters. It is evident that you, SquirrelHill, are not putting your personal biases aside when editing Wikipedia. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:36, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

References