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For critical examination of Wikipedia by Wikipedia itself, see Wikipedia:External peer review/Nature December 2005 (40 science articles) and Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2005-10-31/Guardian rates articles (7 articles of general interest).

Article on Wikipedia in the Harvard Educational Review[edit]

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Fall 2009 Issue of the Harvard Educational Review

High School Research and Critical Literacy: Social Studies With and Despite Wikipedia by Houman Harouni

"Drawing on experiences in his social studies classroom, Houman Harouni evaluates both the challenges and possibilities of helping high school students develop critical research skills. The author describes how he used Wikipedia to design classroom activities that address issues of authorship, neutrality, and reliability in information gathering. The online encyclopedia is often lamented by teachers, scholars, and librarians, but its widespread use necessitates a new approach to teaching research. In describing the experience, Harouni concludes that teaching research skills in the contemporary context requires ongoing observations of the research strategies and practices students already employ as well as the active engagement of student interest and background knowledge."

Some irrelevant info needs removing[edit]

The following sentence in the article should be removed: "Coincidentally, or not, in August 2013, Wikipedia's Jimmy Wales scrutinized the U.K.'s Prime Minister David Cameron’s Internet porn-filter, saying the plan is "ridiculous."" It has nothing to do with criticism of Wikipedia. I would remove it myself right away, but I suspect someone would revert me simply because I'm an IP. (talk) 06:00, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

WP:Assume good faith, guy. It is good not only for others, but also you as well.Forbidden User (talk) 12:06, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
This is my experience from editing as an IP. It's almost always, "Oh, an IP made an edit to the article! Revert him!" (talk) 01:12, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
You can read people's minds to know that they were mindlessly reverting because an IP made the edit rather than because it was an awful or inappropriate edit? You should take that act to Vegas!-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:19, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
What section in the article is the complete lack of understanding shown by the red pen to be listed in as an example? Juan Riley (talk) 23:14, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Source that could be added[edit]

This article The Decline of Wikipedia,, could be added to the article. — Lentower (talk) 20:29, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Is this article a reliable source?[edit]

Since this article is mainly about why Wikipedia is not a reliable source, does this article count as a reliable source since? It could be said that by being part of Wikipedia, it makes Wikipedia's criticisms of itself invalid. Ezza1995 (talk) 14:36, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Well this is a paradox. However, Wikipedia is a collection of sources. It cannot be used as a "source" whatsoever.Forbidden User (talk) 12:10, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
To be crystal clear:
  • this article can not be used as a source for another Wikipedia article.
  • you can use reliable sources from this article in other Wikipedia articles.
  • you can wikilink to this article from other Wikipedia articles, but not in a way that uses it as a source. E.g. in a See also section
  • You can use a Wikipedia article as a source outside Wikipedia. But use the permalink of the version you are citing, as an article can change at any time.
It's not a paradox for Wikipedia to include criticism of itself. But discussing that is not what talk pages are for. — Lentower (talk) 13:06, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Excessive regulation additionally regarding intellectually impaired individuals[edit]

A current section appears thusly:

Excessive regulation

Kat Walsh, a former chair of the Wikimedia Foundation, has criticized Wikipedia's increasingly complex policies, saying "It was easier when I joined in 2004... Everything was a little less complicated.... It's harder and harder for new people to adjust."[141]

In his 2014 book titled Common Knowledge?: An Ethnography of Wikipedia, Wikipedia steward Dariusz Jemielniak asserts that the sheer complexity of the rules and laws governing content and editor behavior has become excessive and creates a learning burden for new editors.[142][143] Jemielniak suggests actively abridging and rewriting the rules and laws to fall within a fixed and reasonable limit of size and complexity to remedy their excessive complexity and size.[142][143]

Excessive regulation additionally regarding intellectually impaired individuals

As a learning disabled (though knowledgeable) individual myself, I am coming to terms with the steep learning curve. Such a learning curve is not only a burden, but may be considered barrier. Without patient attitudes and facilitators to turn to for guidance, said barrier may likely constitute discrimination under ADA 1990[1]; and 501(c)(3)[2] status may hang in the balance. As noted in latter referenced article, charities may be granted exemption of anti-discrimination laws, such as Boy Scouts. However, Wikipedia claims no rights to be able to discriminate, as far as can be ascertained. Wikipedia[3] claims are of a free encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Charitable donors are perhaps being duped by this claim. Rather, perhaps it is intellectually impaired individuals being duped, thinking any welcome extends toward them whatsoever.

Wikipedia help[4] claims, "Contributing is easy..." I am seeing numerous falsities regarding Wiki policies as well. Administrators seem not to be bound to assumptions of good faith for one. Also on WP:NOTTHERAPY the claim is, "Except in extreme cases, editors are not blocked before problems have been patiently discussed..." This statement is patently false on at least one occasion where I have taken the brunt. If Wikipedia wants to allow discrimination against intellectually impaired individuals, such ability should be openly sought in the courts. Then we can just put the entirety of WP:NOTTHERAPY in the digital rubbish-bin where it apparently belongs at present.

If in this "Summer of Moments," requesting help documenting history, Wikipedia is determined to stay on current course. Then by all means, let us document history in the making, all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary.

I shall pause for now citing section "It's a lot to learn"[5] of User talk:Materialscientist and all sections to date of my own User talk:Tomkwill especially ending in section "Assume good faith."[6] Tomkwill (talk) 17:00, 26 September 2014 (UTC)Tomkwill

If you cannot find the "It's a lot to learn" section of User talk:Materialscientist, then please reference the cut-pasted version on my own talk page. Tomkwill (talk) 07:26, 27 September 2014 (UTC)Tomkwill

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