Talk:Critique of technology

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I foresee this article being voted for deletion as original research.Yeago 16:26, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Ahem[edit]

Are you guys listening? I really don't think this article is going to last. You really ought to change its direction if you want to keep it. For now, it is essentially a personal essay on technological criticisms. The reference to capitalism in the byline is a red alert for NPOV.

Some statements are so broad that there's really no way you can substantiate them

"The Internet euphoria of the 1990s favored more positive attitudes toward technlogy" - there is no way this can be verified. It would be better to find an author who has chimed in on this matter.

I honestly would consider simply making a very comprehensive subsection in the article of Philosophy of technology. Yeago 14:58, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


original research [edit]

This article is clearly not POV and contains original research.

A couple brief points for anyone who's interested in doing a REAL article on this topic:

"Critique of technology" means almost nothing unless further clarified. We could be talking about anything from complete anti-technology people, or reactionary critiques of "further" industrializations, or perhaps even Marxist critiques of the "developed" nations not sharing their "gadgets" with the rest of the world... Honestly, I think this article might be better renamed as "Critique of industrialization" or something-- but anyway, here's a few critical theory books that deal more or less explicitly with what COULD be called a "critique of technology":

  • Ivan Ilyich, "Tools for Conviviality"

(talks in a kind of white burden way about our need to share our technology with the world. keep in mind that this point of view doesn't have to be so biased.)

  • John Thackara, "In the Bubble"

( from Amazon.com: “‘To do things differently, we need to perceive things differently,’ John Thackara writes. I agree! In the Bubble is the first strong, thoroughly documented statement on the importance of the local and the embedded in our fluid, hyper-connected world. A fundamental contribution to a new design culture.” --Ezio Manzini, Milan Polytechnic, author of The Material of Invention and Sustainable Everyday

Book Description We're filling up the world with technology and devices, but we've lost sight of an important question: What is this stuff for? What value does it add to our lives? So asks author John Thackara in his new book, In the Bubble: Designing for a Complex World.

These are tough questions for the pushers of technology to answer. Our economic system is centered on technology, so it would be no small matter if "tech" ceased to be an end-in-itself in our daily lives.

Technology is not going to go away, but the time to discuss the end it will serve is before we deploy it, not after. We need to ask what purpose will be served by the broadband communications, smart materials, wearable computing, and connected appliances that we're unleashing upon the world. We need to ask what impact all this stuff will have on our daily lives. Who will look after it, and how?

In the Bubble is about a world based less on stuff and more on people. Thackara describes a transformation that is taking place now -- not in a remote science fiction future; it's not about, as he puts it, "the schlock of the new" but about radical innovation already emerging in daily life. We are regaining respect for what people can do that technology can't. In the Bubble describes services designed to help people carry out daily activities in new ways. Many of these services involve technology -- ranging from body implants to wide-bodied jets. But objects and systems play a supporting role in a people-centered world. The design focus is on services, not things. And new principles -- above all, lightness -- inform the way these services are designed and used. At the heart of In the Bubble is a belief, informed by a wealth of real-world examples, that ethics and responsibility can inform design decisions without impeding social and technical innovation. ) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.166.140.209 (talk) 02:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC).

Reply to the objections[edit]

Drawing a clear line between writing an article (which includes a lot of research) and so called "original research" is impossible. This is only a pretext. What's the function of this argument? There is a strong tendency with many collaborators of wikipedia to reject anything which is not flatly positivistic. An encyclopedia is not a fact book.

The "not POV "-objection is equally wrong. It confuses the subject of the article (which of course is not "neutral") with the article itself. Turnbull is perfectly right when he qualifies Feenberg as anticapitalist and this is true wether one is procapitalist or anticapitalist. --Minority2005 13:38, 27 May 2007 (UTC)