Talk:Cross of St. Peter
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I'd like to discuss a possible angle for the satanic connection of St Peter's cross. In the 16th/17th centuries there was a wave of protestantism across Europe. I can only really account from an angle of British history, but in Britain Roman Catholicism was outlawed.
Roman Catholicism was effectively pushed underground. Wealthy families built secret chapels in roof spaces or cellars (See the article on priest holes[]). These Roman Catholics who continued to practise would have had to have deceived others outside of their community, and they would have developed secret ways to recognise each other. Also they're bible and rites were in a language that could not be understood by the layman.
So we have:-
People who worship underground.
They meet in secret.
They use instruments of worship on an alter.
They hide the truth through deception of who they are and what they worship.
And the symbol of the accredited first pope (St Peter) is an inverted cross.
Looks to me like satanism and the inverted cross rose as an imprinted image through the propaganda of the protestant revolution.
Satan is already familiar to the people as an image of evil & the deceiver of man, and the inverted cross was familiar as a symbol of the Church of Rome. Blending these images together would have definitley produced the desired effect
This of course is merely conjecture on my part, but I leave these comments with part of a quote from John Adams made about the American revolution on the 13th of February 1818 [].
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments of their duties and obligations
To me this speaks of why propaganda exists. Stuzilla 23:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
- Eh, maybe. But the usage as a "symbol of Satanism" has caused much laughters and fun in my church. I think maybe this loony interpretation is some analogue to the idea of reciting Our Father backwards, which according to folklore should have an inverse magical effect. Except that Our Father is not a magic formula... ;-) It's a prayer! ... said: Rursus (bork²) 20:50, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- I also think there should be a re-direct to this page for "Satanic Cross" because St. Peter holds no particular religious position in the Bible compared to Jesus, therefore the St. Peter's Cross can't be seen as any particular symbol for Christianity. 2nd, to hold people upside-down constitutes torture as a matter of fact, but I need reference for this (or else WP:Source ?)! Just this. Bye! 184.108.40.206 (talk) 10:48, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
- 220.127.116.11 -- In traditional Christianity there are many many symbols of many many saints, and St. Peter is actually one of the most prominent among them (as one of the 12 apostles, and founder of the church in Rome). See Saint symbolism or Italian Wikipedia article it:Armoriale dei santi for probably more info than you want to know... AnonMoos (talk) 12:55, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
- Well, that or it's simply the fact that it's the most prominent universal Christian symbol, only inverted. Robrecht 18:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
The article was renamed to Petrine Cross because that is how the Vatican translates the name. This needs to be discussed. The rules about article names are it uses the name most commonly known in English. "Cross of St. Peter" or "Peter Cross" is how it is most commonly known. I understand the Vatican holds some authority for some people but the cross is not owned by the Vatican it is a cultural icon for Catholics and non-Catholics alike. We need to stick to the rules of Wikipedia. -- Stbalbach 20:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- If consensus cannot be reached, Jimbo holds the ultimate sway here. ... said: Rursus (bork²) 20:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Why isn't the title 'Inverted cross'? If I type this in Wikipedia I get redirected to 'Cross of St. Peter'. That's strange because the inverted cross is mostly know as a anti-christian or a satanic symbol and not as a symbol of St. Peter. Yet, by giving it the title 'Cross of St. Peter' you make the inverted cross in the first place a Christian symbol. This is not correct to me. To many Christians and non-Christians the inverted cross is not the cross of St. Peter. It would be more objective to name the title 'Inverted cross'. Especially since the inverted cross has completely different meanings which are opposite of each others. It's wrong to me to choose one of the different views by giving the title a Christian or an anti-Christian meaning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 22:59, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
- Cross of St. Peter or Petrine cross is the traditional name in traditional Christian symbolism. The anti-Christian meaning is historically more recent. AnonMoos (talk) 23:10, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Pope as anti-Christ
Any chance the depiction of this Catholic symbol as being Satanic could be connected to the Reformist view that the Pope was anti-Christ? Through the reformation and beyond many Catholic symbols became linked to Satanism for this purpose. For one example the bent Crucifix the Pope carries atop his Crozier has become tied to Satanism. -- 20:47, 18 September 2009 22.214.171.124
- I'm not sure what "bent" would mean in this context. Certainly the basic Cross of St. Peter is not bent... AnonMoos (talk) 02:39, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Modified Petrine Cross?
I'm Catholic and I remember seeing a symbol resembling an inverted Latin cross, but with a thin, curved line that starts at the bottom and kinda wraps itself slightly around the cross (kinda similar to the Methodist symbol). I've seen it a few times, and I don't know if it has to do with the popularity of the Cross of St. Peter as a Satanist symbol, which would lead to this modified version I'm talking about.--126.96.36.199 (talk) 17:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
In the section Satanic and anti-Christian imagery there's the following parenthetical sentence:
(Interestingly, Jesus referred to Peter as a "Satan", when he said to him "Get behind me, Satan!", in Mark 8:33; see also vade retro satana).
I assume this is an attempt to imply that Jesus/The Bible says that Peter was Satan, and therefore the inverted cross as a satanic symbol did not originate simply by inverting the most recognized Christian symbol. Would I be right to think both parts of that would need a citation? 188.8.131.52 (talk) 21:44, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
- I don't have an answer to your question, but it does bolster the theory presented (earlier on this Talk page) about Protestantism vs Catholic church. Not that I think the theory needs to be mentioned (or is necessarily correct), but the Peter - "get thee behind me Satan" connection should at least be mentioned.Jimhoward72 (talk) 19:34, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Seriously? Jesus isn't calling Peter Satan, he's talking to Satan who's using Peter to get in Jesus' way. Whoever wrote that probably isn't a big supporter of Catholicism... 184.108.40.206 (talk) 18:56, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Issues with the References Section
Looking at the references cited in the article, I found that they are all links to websites that are more or less championing the "Catholicism is Satanism" viewpoint, and none of them are religious commentaries or definitions released by the Catholic Church (or any non-dissenting Christian religion) itself. That's not to say that the Catholic-supporting facts in the article are untrue, but for people who wish to know more about the Petrine Cross, shouldn't the references section lead to informative websites and not to hateful, misinforming ones?
I understand that it is legitimate to reference a website that expresses the controversy on a subject, but the sources used should be reliably informative and objective, e.g., a well-written news article, in contrast to the currently used sources. -- 00:30, 27 July 2011 LhikJovan
Another depiction of the crucifixion of St. Peter
I had no idea that this was true. I didn't know that St. Peter was crucified upside down. Thanks Wikipedia.! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottyhicks93 (talk • contribs) 01:26, 19 August 2011 (UTC)