Talk:Cruel Summer (GOOD Music album)

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The tracklist has not been confirmed yet....[edit]

Despite HMV Japan and Tower Records Japan posting up tracklists, there is no official word from Def Jam nor Kanye West. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.125.254.230 (talk) 20:02, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

-The list is very obviously fake. Kanye played a song at a club recently called "Perfect Bitch" and said that it was on Cruel Summer, yet that song isn't listed. Furthermore, it has also been confirmed that Frank Ocean, Jay Electronica, and Mr Hudson will be on the album, and none of them are listed. Let's wait until we have an official confirmation before we add it to this page, people.

Track list confirmed by Amazon today. SrGangsta (talk) 15:58, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Clique[edit]

The new single "Clique" needs a page. Eleventhblock (talk) 20:24, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

I'll create it ASAP. SrGangsta (talk) 23:01, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
I haven't seen it was already created. Ok, it's all good there. SrGangsta (talk) 02:01, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Noah Goldstein IS NOT Noah "40" Shebib[edit]

I've made this change like five times but it keeps getting changed back. Drake's producer 40 IS NOT on Cruel Summer. Noah Goldstein may sound unfamiliar but he's been working with Kanye West for years. Noah "40" Shebib isn't even in the album credits. Please fix this mix-up. On page for "Clique" too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.2.129.87 (talk) 18:40, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 16:36, 26 September 2012 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

Cruel Summer (album)Cruel Summer (GOOD Music album) – This article was originally at Cruel Summer (GOOD Music album) and it was blanked and then protected on August 31, [1], and on September 1, [2], was changed to finish the protection on September 11. In between the two edits above, the article was recreated at Cruel Summer (album), [3], to seemingly get around this page protection. There is also an article for Cruel Summer (Ace of Base album) and Cruel Summer (album) should redirect to Cruel Summer. Aspects (talk) 05:14, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

hmm, the page was blocked when I've created the page. The admins didn't unlock it, and I don't know why. But if you want, move the page cause I think it's better. -SrGangsta (talk) 10:07, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Support per standard disambiguation practice. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:20, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Support if anything the Ace of Base album should be here, as it was back in May. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 02:05, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Support The Ace of Base-album was released first, so of course the GOOD Music-album should be moved to Cruel Summer (GOOD Music album).--z33k (talk) 20:04, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Support, but neither album article should occupy this page; no guideline suggests chronology has any bearing on this. Cruel Summer (album) should redirect to Cruel Summer. Dan56 (talk) 20:25, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
I reverted User: Chasewc91's move of this article to "Kanye West Presents...". Official title notwithstanding, the consensus here is for "Cruel Summer (GOOD Music album)", which is the commonly referred to (by nearly all sources) and most appropriate title (Wikipedia:Article titles#Precision) Dan56 (talk) 05:52, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
I didn't even look here so I wasn't aware of the discussion. My bad. –Chase (talk / contribs) 15:07, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Studio or compilation[edit]

Chasewc91's recent edit to the article changed the album type to compilation, which I think makes sense and added a citation for it just in case. But I looked at Metacritic's entry for the album and it calls it a "studio compilation album". Which is right? Dan56 (talk) 06:06, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

I honestly don't feel like digging for sources at this moment but there are a lot out there that call it a compilation. As a various artists collection it will (or should, if my knowledge of the charts is correct) chart on the UK Compilations Chart instead of the UK Albums Chart as Young Money's similar 2009 release did. –Chase (talk / contribs) 15:07, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Several sources including Pitchfork Media and Rolling Stone refer to it not as a Kanye West studio album, but as an album by "GOOD Music", including several that cite it as a compilation album. It's not a universally accepted fact but there are more than enough sources that justify listing it as a compilation record. I agree with this decision. Bruce Campbell (talk) 16:29, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

To the World - Teyana Taylor[edit]

on iTunes, Teyana Taylor is part of To the World... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.128.187.120 (talk) 19:27, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

The Morning featured Kanye West[edit]

Kanye West performs the last few verses on The Morning (or sampled from "New God Flow"), so he definitely should get a mention in the title (I've listened to the compilation since it was leaked). Besides, XXL magazine states that Kanye is featured on eight of the twelve songs. therewillbehotcake (talk) 03:25, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Can we have the album cover without the explicit logo on it[edit]

http://theversed.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/GOOD-Music-Cruel-Summer-Album.jpg

replace the cover with this pic. idk why the album covers on here have to have the parental advisory label on it f it's explicit, it looks ugly. it should have the original photo

Ok, I'mma do it. SrGangsta (talk) 16:33, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Differences between physical and digital versions[edit]

Someone should update that there are differences between the physical and digital versions of the album. For instance, John Legend's vocals are far more prominent on the iTunes version of "Sin City." On the physical edition, the portion that would be his vocals is a auto-tuned voice that sounds nothing like John Legend. There's also some mixing differences on "The One." The drums are not as loud on iTunes. "Sin City" has less bass on iTunes. I know this sounds like a very nitpicky thing, but these changes are there if you listen closely. It appears that the iTunes version underwent some revisions because of the physical edition leak. If anything, the John Legend vocals should be mentioned. It's the most glaring difference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.2.129.86 (talk) 14:17, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Do you have any sources for these changes? FM talk to me | show contributions ]  16:27, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Artist - Title[edit]

The original discussion was partly from the above here, where I brought up Metacritic's entry for the album as "studio compilation album" and wanted to establish a consensus to stop past reverting. Feeling that "studio compilation" would be challengeable either way, I used this NME article to cite "compilation", but that isnt very strong either, as it calls the album "Kanye West's", possibly informally, but that's debatable as well. Both Metacritic and Allmusic, which usually keep things formal as tertiary sources, have it as "Cruel Summer - Various Artists" or "G.O.O.D. Music: Cruel Summer - Various Artists". Def Jam has the album listed as part of Kanye West's discography, solely titled "Cruel Summer". Which would seem the most accurate? Dan56 (talk) 02:33, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Also, does it make a difference if in Switzerland and the UK, it charted on those countries' compilation charts rather than the main album charts? Dan56 (talk) 02:45, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Compilation album are usually made up of previously released songs, as well as a few new recordings. All of these songs are new. Most sources list the album as being by "Various Artists", so I think that's how that should go. G.O.O.D. Music: Cruel Summer also appears to be the actual name, although iTunes lists the album as Kanye West Presents Good Music Cruel Summer.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 03:33, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

In addition, there's no consensus for the page title or what the album actually is.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 03:36, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
I often regard Allmusic as the most reliable source for album titles. With other sources, the title can often be shortened, as can see here. But album titles do not use common names, but their official names. That's our problem here. There's sources out there calling the album many different things.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 03:40, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
That most compilation album happen to be culled from previous sources/releases may just be a trend rather than whatever the definition is. Other than the Wikipedia article, the only source I could find for a definition was this book about iTunes/iPods saying that it's an album with a variety of artists/performers, fitting the "various artists" billing. The original page move was discussed at some length here, and I asked for further comments about the album type here a while ago. Since there were only three comments, I thought more should comment here, so I've asked several other editors as well. Dan56 (talk) 03:39, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
  • My opinion from sources complied. G.O.O.D. Music Cruel Summer by Various artists.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 03:46, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Kanye's site calls the album "GOOD MUSIC CRUEL SUMMER".  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 03:51, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
  • The most frequently used title in reliable sources, from what I can tell, seems to be Cruel Summer. Not sure about the artist billing. Perhaps "Kanye West and various artists" is best, considering West is featured on more than 60% of the album and the "official" title is Kanye West Presents.... –Chase (talk / contribs) 03:09, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

sales[edit]

Regarding the sales data from Nielson Soundscan, are these sales from the US alone or from the US and Canada? This ought to be clarified in the article. FM talk to me | show contributions ]  18:18, 4 July 2013 (UTC)