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See also: Talk:Courlandians

Finno-Ugric people?[edit]

I think for this page should be a disambiguation page:

  • Curonians - baltic tribe
  • Curonians - ethnic group

or the article should be expanded to show clear view about curonians, like was did in curonian language article.

  • Curonians were fenno-ugrians. Chrinicle Chronicle of Henry of Livonia is writing that they were from Saaremaa. If they were balts then how they can making cooperations with estonians (like war raids, singing and talking (as we can read from Gesta Danorum)?

There is no evidence that balts making over sea raids! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.253.60.93 (talk) 12:03, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

The thing about this is that this is your personal idea, which absolutely does not represent any research done. If you have such information sourced, you might as well added, but according to archeological sources, Curonians moved from the south towards the north, which obviously is not the case for the Finno-Ugric peoples living towards the Finnish peninsula. I would refer you to the Wikipedia policy on private research. Also, I would like to point out that your logic here ("If they were balts then how they can making cooperations with estonians (like war raids, singing and talking (as we can read from Gesta Danorum)"?) is far from making sense. If that were the case, there would be no way for Slavic people to have traded with Baltic and Finno-Ugric people, which is exactly the opposite of what happened. The fact is that interaction was common, and many research sources treat them as different ethnic kinds. If this were merely a linguistic issue, Old Curonian is a baltic language that has left traces in the Samogitian dialect. Once again, I believe it makes no sense to use straw man arguments. However, if you are able to find sources stating that Curonians were or might have been Finno-Ugric, you should put. Right now, it only seems like you're indulging yourself by adding your beliefs instead of actual information.

Freultwah (talk) 18:35, 6 November 2014 (UTC) There are actually theories that there may have been two separate ethnic groups living on the peninsula. According to those theories (of which I was made aware from a radio broadcast about Estonian history presented by actual historians), the Baltic tribe were living farther in the south and not on the coast, while the Finno-Ugric tribe was living on the coast. In Estonian, there was a distinction between the names of the Baltic (kuršid) and the Finno-Ugric tribes (kuralased). This helps understand how Estonians co-operated with the Curonians (i.e. the Finnic tribe) and yet the Curonian language is a Baltic one (i.e. it was a different tribe with a similar name). What I am getting at: the two peoples got mixed up under a single Latin name in Henrik's chronicle.

Yes, before 10th century curonians (Baltic tribe) lived only in the southern part of Courland penisula, rest of the penisula was inhabited by finno ugric tribes. However in the 10th century large curonian migration to the north started which resulted with assimilation of local finnic people. In 13th century those finnic people were pushed near the coast of the Baltic sea in the far north of penisula. Dundaga was the border between curonians and finns (you can see that spot on the map). However it is quite sure that part of the Curonians had finnic roots and there is even term curonised livonains in latvian historiography which is used to describe those archeological findings from Northern and central courland where more or less finnic influence is seen in grave goods or burial traditions. One good example of cultural shift and assimilation is several typically finnic burial mounds (covered by stones) from northern courland where upper levels contained grave goods with typical curonian (baltic) style. Yes, there are several ways how to interpret that but most likely the explanation is that finnic people from northern courland started slowly adapt baltic curonian material culture and language but still was using their own old burial mounds as burial traditions are one of the strongest ones. So there is finnic element in curonians but it is very stupid to wage permanent wiki war to declare curonians as finns because they were not. In that case we can also declare latvians as estonians because genetically and also culturally we have very much in common. --Semigall (talk) 10:21, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

"VIIa.Scandinavians begin settling in Western Baltic lands in Lithuania and Latvia."[edit]

Who is that idiot, that keeps adding this sentence "VIIa.Scandinavians begin settling in Western Baltic lands in Lithuania and Latvia." to almost every article about Baltic people. Angry Swede, Estonian or Russian? Please, stop that. It's idiotic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.68.28.134 (talk) 17:16, 2 February 2011 (UTC)