Talk:Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act
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- 1 The founder
- 2 The Fact that Russian Propaganda Stimulated Much of This Debate is Important
- 3 Bias in Introduction
- 4 Invalid Sources
- 5 Nothing Like SOPA
- 6 Group of proposed / failed / passed internet "laws"
- 7 Threatened?
- 8 Cybersecurity Act
- 9 Would this happen to all internet
- 10 Who do they think they are?
- 11 The article fails to state the legal status of the bill
- 12 Some Updates.
- 13 Facebook support?
- 14 Bugged section of the article
- 15 Blackout?
- 16 Undue weight to opposition.
Keep In Mind The Founder Of CISPA Is: Mike Rogers (Michigan Politician) (Michigan politician)
The Fact that Russian Propaganda Stimulated Much of This Debate is Important
Russia Today is Putin's propaganda arm. There is no way to deny that at least some (certainly not all) of the protest stems from Russian propaganda. Putin kills journalists, I seriously doubt he cares about net neutrality or the fourth amendment. - ArturiusKN 00:26 April 25.
- What you've just said may be true, but is Ipse dixit without any proof, and your analysis needs to be backed up by a source as per WP:NOR.184.108.40.206 (talk) 21:37, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Bias in Introduction
- I agree the introduction is far from objective. I think that Wikipedia as a whole should officially take a stance on the bill, i.e., post something on the front page. I realize the bill doesn't effect Wikipedia directly, but it does (potentially) go against its philosophy. Donconnery (talk) 08:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
- I've only been doing most of the opposition because I would of thought someone would be covering the supporters list (at the time, there wasn't really a list of opposition.) I've thought of revamping the supporters list a few times, but listing 800+ companies and their associations takes up either a lot of space, or a lot of time. I'm quite sure people here can reorder lots of information here. Unfortunately, the breadth of the information that I've gotten were either opposed or incoming information about similar legislation. If anyone would be willing to add more information to the content and supporters lists, PLEASE, by all means, be my guest. Parts of the content that were token out by someone else may very well have been more suited in the supporters list. Donconnery, we can really move all those quotes at the top page down in a different section as well as the quote in support as those really don't belong there in the content section. If you are willing to make a new section dedicated to those quotes, much appreciated. I've only added those quotes as a rebuff to another quote added there. I'll be removing them. This is wiki, HELP us make it more objective. To make the page better, move the quotes and content around, I give you permission, and I'm quite sure wiki readers give you permission and that is the point of wiki, we need more than just a few people creating content.I highly recommend someone create an amendments section (or if anyone is willing to add an amendments section.) Takeruhikari (talk) 08:26, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
- I have the same question. How is Wikipedia not all over this? The bill is expected to pass in a few days. Donconnery (talk) 06:33, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
How are the sources in the footnotes, specifically  and  considered valid sources? Where is the sources that back up the claims for that material? I would like to dispute the validity of the article until we get real proof that what those sources say is true.220.127.116.11 (talk) 15:38, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
This bill is actually nothing like SOPA. You can read the publicly available legislation on thomas.loc.gov. It has nothing to do with regulating the internet. It very specifically outlines that it is a two-way, voluntary, information sharing enabler for data relating exclusively to theft of R&D or attacks on networks. Unless your are committing a premeditated crime involving disruption or destruction of a computer network or stealing R&D for commercial purposes, your information will not get to government hands. Even then, your info would have to be voluntarily shared by the tech company and sent to the government. Bob Smith who downloads pirated movies is not affected by this. - Ender3 —Preceding undated comment added 02:33, 25 April 2012 (UTC).
- Ender: You say this, but opponents claim that it does have to do with things similar to SOPA, although combined with other topics (like foreign espionage), as you say. They say that the bill defines "cybersecurity" and "network" in such a way as to include protecting intellectual property in general, and that bits like "information" and "research" are not clearly defined, so that they may be interpreted to include ordinary violations patent or copyright. As to their voluntary nature, Prof. Geist e.a. hold that voluntary agreements often have effects similar to laws if there is government or industry pressure. These critics may all be wrong, but it is a widely held view, so it deserves mention. There is no consensus about what the bill could really be used for. Cerberus™ (talk) 03:54, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
- I agree, opponents do say this. However, I encourage them to read the legislation. It not not nearly as amorphous as all this panic would suggest. It has nothing to do with violations of patents or copyrights on the internet. It is about breach of network security, something very much defined in the bill. That is why I removed the bit in the intro about patents and copyright as it is not applicable. While that is seen by the misinformed as an issue, it is simply factually incorrect and I want Wikipedia to reflect the facts, not the rumors, so that the public can accurately make a judgement. To that end I removed that bit again and cited the text of the legislation from the Library of Congress as a reference. Ender3 (talk) 12:02, 25 April 2012 (UTC))
- No it's not as bad as SOPA. It merely gives the corporations/ISPs the authority to record and share all your emails, websurf history, file or photo uploads to the Dept. of Homeland Security, and there's nothing you can do to sue your ISP (or Google, MSN, etc) for violating your privacy. They have been given immunity through CISPA. In other words you no longer have any 4th amendment protections of your electronic data, including extra-sensitive information like bank accounts, stock trades, or tax returns.
- I can't believe wikipedia did not protest CISPA as they protested SOPA. To me this proves wiki is no better than Google, Microsoft, Apple, and so on. Just another corporation that doesn't care about the common people that are trampled in the process. ---- Theaveng (talk) 01:13, 27 April 2012 (UTC) (Added by jeff forester 10:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)TruckerTwotimes: IMO on this paragraph this is a given, as in something that is going to happen regardless of protest, Perversion is running wild in the world, simple folks burn out on fighting the inevitable. end addition)
- This bill is WORSE than SOPA, except for the DNS stuff. This is like that indefinite detention bill the government passed recently. Congress makes laws, that's what they do. If they make a law that's vague, its intentional. For instance Gulf_of_Tonkin_Resolution led to some 6 million tons of bombs being dropped in the Vietnam War. Why is the government passing a totally unnecessary, vague "cyber security" law saying that corporations and the government are free to share whatever information with each other they like? This is TOTALLY ridiculous. I mean the best case scenario is that this law makes it easier for companies to share marketing information and target ads. That's the best case. I don't even want to think about the worst case and that's why its a really terrible bill. Wikipedia really needs to do the same things they did for CISPA as they did for SOPA. Very seriously.
- I just finished reading the current House version of the bill. The unsigned commenter failed to notice the part of the bill that requires the government to delete non-cybersecurity related data that is presented to it and notify the presenting private entity of their submission of inappropriate data. The only problematic area I see in the bill is the exemption from FOIA requests for shared data. That shouldn't be present, as classified data can be denied from an FOIA request, if the requested information is sensitive.Wzrd1 (talk) 02:05, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Group of proposed / failed / passed internet "laws"
With all the attempts to pass laws about the internet today, there should be a group of pages on it. What's that called? It is called Perversion
Like Project x, a group of pages about x. Portal?
- That's a good question Austinburk. Are you familiar with "list" pages? I wonder if we should have a "List of Proposed Laws related to Internet Privacy and Regulation". I'm going to take a look, see if I can find anything that's similar. NickCT (talk) 12:17, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Was it his tone of voice? Did he specifically say he threatens to veto it? Is this the typical language used in this scenario? Doesn't seem very true to journalistic integrity if you ask me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 04:36, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Anyone willing to help create a page for that bill since it is the Senate counter-part of CISPA. The civil Liberties groups are opposing that bill too (unless the Senate decides to fix and create more safeguards to the bill.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Takeruhikari (talk • contribs) 19:27, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
- I cannot help with the page creation, but here is the bill for anyone who wants to consider joining with this. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:09, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Would this happen to all internet
CISPA and DNSchanger would be very big trouble that means there would be no internet for infected users under CISPA. What's supposed to mean like this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 23:17, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Who do they think they are?
The article fails to state the legal status of the bill
The most important thing about legislation is whether it is going into effect, and when. The article fails to state the legal status of CISPA, thus failing its most important goal. For those not familiar with the bicameral system at the United States, the article is confusing. As of today, it says:
- It was passed in the House of Representatives on April 26, 2012.
- President Obama's advisers have argued that the bill lacks confidentiality and civil liberties safeguards and they advise the president to veto it.
It is the bill already approved? Is it prevented from going into effect because of presidential veto? The article fails to state it. As I understand the bicameral system, the proposed legislation must be approved by both Congress and Senate - and as far as I know the Senate hasn't passed CISPA yet. It is still proposed legislation, so when the article deals with presidential veto, it must make clear that it is an hypothetical veto that could happen should the Senate pass CISPA. --Ignacio.Agulló (talk) 00:49, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
- Sometimes it is very difficult to give complete information in Wikipedia because any explanation given has to come from a published reliable source. Do you have a source for the information you want integrated into the article? If you do, please share. If you would like to go further and add it yourself then do that, and if you need help, you have lots of options. WP:TEAHOUSE is one option for new users. Blue Rasberry (talk) 10:55, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
- Let not laziness be our excuse. Even children are taught in school in the USA that for a bill to pass the legislative processs and become law, it must be passed by both legislative houses (the House of the Representatives and the Senate) in the same legislative session. If it only passes one of them, and then the session ends, it is as good as never having been introduced. It just has no legal standing anymore. It may have political clout, but that is as far as it goes. This should be explained in the article, in a lapidary fashion, and as for sourcing, all it takes is the Constitution of the United States. :) I am going to at least fix up the timeline in the infobox, so as to make it chronological and not misleading, and to add there a parenthetical remark that it failed to become law when it passed the House in 2012 because it did not pass the Senate in the same session. --Mareklug talk 01:13, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
So the bill recently passed the House, but what's the current status? Is it pending approval from the Senate? What is the next step for it to be enacted into law? Surely there's a lot more information about it out there. --Ouizardus (talk) 03:43, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
- My sources tell me that it failed in the senate as of today, 25 April. J 126.96.36.199 (talk) 00:39, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
There may need to be some updated information. I'll see if I can get a hold of updating the information, but I am hoping someone else can add the information. As many of you guys may know by revisiting this page, CISPA may be having a comeback in the house. At the same time, in President Obama's State of the Union address, he created an executive order that would create some semblance of cybersecurity legislation.
- It's before the House. The text is available online for all to read. Any non-cybersecurity related data passed to the government by private entities must be destroyed and the presenting private entity notified of the inappropriate disclosure of information. The only area I have some trepidation is the exemption of shared information from FOIA requests. Executive orders are well and good, however, codified law limits what an executive order can lawfully direct. Currently, the US Government cannot share sensitive information on current threats and even ongoing attacks with private entities, there also is no pathway to present the US Government with known compromises that have been used to attack US Government assets. I'm aware of that from my work in government cybersecurity, where US corporations and financial institutions were compromised by foreign actors and business plans, trade negotiation information and even sensitive technologies were found to have been transferred to that foreign nation. How the US Government became aware of that fact is still restricted information. The closest thing to monitoring of US citizens would be if a private company saw network traffic indicating cyber crimes being committed by one of their users/customers and criminal proceedings would still require a warrant.Wzrd1 (talk) 02:16, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Does Facebook still support this? They seem to have reversed their position, or at least eased up. 
Bugged section of the article
- They sure jumped on the 2012 black out for SOPA. Railfan2012 (talk) 20:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Undue weight to opposition.
I have tagged this article for undue weight problems. It seems like the opposition against this bill gets a lot more space in this article than the advocates for it. Especially the "Opposition"-section seems unduly large compared with the "Supporters"-section. Pretty much anyone around with something to say against this bill seems to have a sizable quote in the "Opposition"-section, while the rather large and significant supporters for this bill are just briefly mentioned in the "Supporters"-section. The lead also has undue weight problems, with three whole lines dedicated to listing all the organization opposed to the bill, while the supporters are not even one line, and a lot of large significant supporters, like Google, Oracle and Verizon, have entirely been omitted.TheFreeloader (talk) 20:00, 22 October 2013 (UTC)