Talk:Cycling infrastructure

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Merge[edit]

As of now we don't have a page on Bicycle infrastructure, but the subject is handled a number of various places:

There could easily be more "out there", but personally I find it rather confusing with all these sources and currently this page redirects to Utility cycling#Cycling_infrastructure (because I just created it). There seem to be a huge amount of information about various types of bicycle infrastructure on EnWiki, but I don't think it is very easy to find. Furthermore some points are sourced some places, other on other places, and unfortunately quite a few are not sourced at all, but this isn't very obvious right now. Therefore I suggest that the above pages/sections be merged into this page. --Heb (talk) 08:39, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Not to mention the underpopulated Category:Cycling infrastructure. I think it's a good idea to have a page for cycling infrastructure but I don't think we need merge tags everywhere: Segregated cycle facilities at the very least will remain a stand-alone article due to it's length and comprehensiveness. Bicycle infrastructure (or, as I'd prefer, Cycling infrastructure) would then group together what we already have, as summaries if we have too much, and fill in any other areas that we are missing. SeveroTC 12:30, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
I agree regarding segregated cycle facilities. Wither it should be cycling infrastructure or bicycle infrastructure or bicycling infrastructure for that matter I have no preferences (I'm not really sure what the difference regarding cycling and bicycling is - I've always assumed that the former is American English and the latter British English, but never dived into it...). --Heb (talk) 15:02, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Merging anything into this article makes no sense since it's a redirect. Also the arguments presented in Talk:Utility_cycling#Proposed_merge:_Vehicular_cycling_into_Utility_cycling are valid against expanding that article any further. So, the two main alternatives I see are creating a whole new article here instead of just a redirect, or moving the relevant content into bicycle friendly. Jim.henderson (talk) 02:57, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
...and why don't we have a page on Bicycle infrastructure??, Bicycle infrastructure is just too long to be inside Utility cycling, it should be a separate page, it takes away the Real Meaning of Utility cycling, and makes for a totally unbalanced article. Segregated cycle facilities and Bikeway should be part of a separate Bicycle infrastructure article, and definitely Bicycle commuting shoud be merged into nto Utility cycling· —Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 16:11, 8 October 2011 (UTC) ·
Utility cycling should discuss how infrastructure can promote or discourage utility cycling. Everything else should be in a separate article. --Triskele Jim (talk) 16:33, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

So, I did the split, except it's to Cycling infrastructure. I hope nobody thinks this an overhasty action. Next few days will be busy for me, what with a Metric Century tomorrow on North County Trailway and connecting greenways, astronomy seminar Friday, Wikipedia: The Musical and telescopic observing in Central Park Saturday, and Tour de Bronx Sunday, but my other hope is that others will look into moving material around among the now existing articles, deleting duplications or things the encyclopedia shouldn't be saying even once, etc before I get a closer look next week. Jim.henderson (talk) 23:58, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I somewhat agree with the merge because the Bikeway page is a one-liner, my main concern is that the term Bikeway is sometimes used for dedicated trailways, (e.g. Edgar_Felix_Bikeway, a rail-trail), while the infrastructure page is all about public roadways, any merge should take this into consideration. DCwom (talk) 14:50, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

I like the Bicycle infrastructure page now. It is a superset of segregated cycle facilities and bikeway so should likely be separate from the other pages simply to provide a broader overview. Segregated cycle facilities has a lot of material so wouldn't easily merge in. If anything bikeway is a sub-set of either Bicyle infrastructure or segregated cycle facilities and should be merged into it, particularly since it's a stub. --Nubeli (talk) 18:51, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

In an extended move of above, I've moved the content of Bikeway to Cycling infrastructure#Bikeways and created an redirect. I've also moved the {{Merge to |Bicycle infrastructure|discuss=Talk:Bicycle infrastructure#merge|date=September 2011}} from Segregated cycle facilities and WL'ed to Cycling infrastructure several places. Thus the merge-suggestion above should now be concluded. Thank you for your input and a special thank to User:Jim.henderson for his split and sequent actions :) In kind regards Heb (talk) 13:32, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Segregation[edit]

The page "Segregated Cycle Facilities" should at the very least be renamed to "separated" as the term "segregated" in commonplace usage invokes negative images of racial issues which is irrelevant to the discussion of bicycle infrastructure. There also seems a desire to create a bias in using the term "segregated" as it implies it is bad, and the inverse, "integrated" being good which creates a non-neutral point of view. I do prefer renaming this page to "Bicycle Infrastructure". (Mightybeancounter (talk) 18:37, 26 October 2011 (UTC)).

for Segregated cycle facilities: maybe so, but that should be proposed at the relevant talk page. For this one, I disagree, as the facilities are for the activity of cycling, not for bicycles as objects. SeveroTC 19:05, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Or perhaps Separate Development though I like to hope we've grown up somewhat since the 20th century and need no longer fear words that were used then as euphemism. More to the point, I just noticed that we've been using the wrong forum. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cycling would be more appropriate to these discussions.

Merger/split of Bikeway[edit]

I think that this type of infrastructure is notable enough it should be split back into its own article. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:43, 30 June 2013 (UTC)