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So, 150.000 or 180.000 Greek Cypriots evicted from their homes?[edit]

In first paragraph it writes: "The intercommunal violence and subsequent Turkish invasion led to the displacement of over 150,000 Greek Cypriots[19][20] and 50,000 Turkish Cypriots,[21] and the establishment of a separate Turkish Cypriots political entity in the north.". Further down it writes: "International pressure led to a ceasefire, and by then 37% of the island had been taken over by the Turks and 180,000 Greek-Cypriots had been evicted from their homes in the north. At the same time, around 50,000 Turkish Cypriots moved to the areas under the control of the Turkish Forces and settled in the properties of the displaced Greek Cypriots." I wonder which claim is the true one? This is kinda confusing me. 30.000 its a lot of difference to just ignore it. --SilentResident (talk) 20:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

SilentResident, you will find sources stating over 150 to 200 thousand, the exact number of refugees depending on the methodology used to define the refugees. There are various parameters which different sources take into account thereby arriving at different numbers. For instance one may or may not be counting the wife in a family, if the wife prior to the invasion was from a city which is still free, versus the husband who's home is under occupation by Turks from Anatolia. So the numbers vary, and i think it is rational. The extend of the damage being 1/3 of the population roughly of the time. Why is it of such importance if it is 160, 170 or 210 thousands? What changes? If you are thinking of a way to calculate the amount due from Turkey for loss of use of property, then bare in mind that a families children and grant children even if they never lived in their fathers and grandfathers properties they are considered refugees also. 23x2 φ 14:56, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
In this case couldn't be better for the article's all paragraphs to write "150.000-180.000" rather than a plain "150.000" in one paragraph and "180.000" in another? ^_^ --SilentResident (talk) 03:07, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Nobody was evicted. They simply escaped or chose to go south. We have not done any good until now, believing the Greek's lies... --217.86.137.20 (talk) 15:46, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Locations of orthodox Greek Cypriots and catholic Maronite Cypriots who chose to stay in north of Cyprus in 1975 and are still living in north of Cyprus in 2014
"Eviction" is just completely very big lie of some fanatic Greek Cypriots:
After the hostilities in 1974, population transfers were made in accordance with the Voluntary Population Exchange Agreement (02.08.1975) between Turkish and Greek Cypriots (Third Vienna Agreement) under the auspices of United Nations; the Orthodox Greek Cypriots in Rizokarpaso, Agios Andronikos and Agia Triada and Catholic Maronite Cypriots in Asomatos, Karpasia and Kormakitis agreed to live under Turkish Cypriot administration and stayed in the north and Turkish Cypriots in Limassol agreed to live under Greek Cypriot administration and stayed in the south of the Cyprus island.
If all of the Greek Cypriots had chosen to stay in north of Cyprus, then all of them have been living in north of Cyprus just as the ones who chose to stay in north of Cyprus and are still living in north of Cyprus!
Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots have NO right to return back after 40 years they chose their side in 1975!:
1. United States Federal Court decision (09.10.2014):"..Greek Cypriots cannot claim that the government in control of Northern Cyprus gave their homes to Turkish Cypriots....Although the United States does not recognize it as a state, the TRNC purportedly operates as a democratic republic with a president, prime minister, legislature and judiciary...TRNC is not vulnerable to a lawsuit in Washington". Source.
2. (Note that before USA Federal Court kicked Greek Cypriots, European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) already kicked Greek Cypriots and decided that the places that Greek Cypriots left are no more their homes.
See ECtHR's related decisions ((Tasos Asproftas: [Application no. 16079/90] ve Marianna Petrakidou [Application no. 16081/90])):
http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/sites/eng/Pages/search.aspx#{"fulltext":["Asproftas"],"documentcollectionid2":["CASELAW"],"itemid":["001-98684"]}
http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/sites/eng/Pages/search.aspx#{"fulltext":["Petrakidou"],"documentcollectionid2":["CASELAW"],"itemid":["001-98688"]}

Alexyflemming (talk) 23:24, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

About the formatting of the IPA for Cyprus[edit]

I noticed that the English IPA for Cyprus has two alternatives, in the same IPA tag. As a result, the comma between the two alternative pronunciations is between two vertical bars, thus parsed and displayed as a secondary stress, making look like a single segment, while it's two different segments. To fix that, I used one IPA tag for each English pronunciation, leaving the comma out of any tag, so it's displayed as a comma, not a secondary stress. My change was reverted, and I don't understand the rationale behind that. Having it in a single tag causes problems. For the sake of clarity, I strongly suggest that it becomes accepted to use two tags, one for each possible pronunciation, with the comma not in any tag, so that it's displayed as a comma, not secondary stress. I will not attempt to change it again since people keep reverting it. So let's talk about it. Is there any reason it gets back reverted to a single IPA tag? --Meidei (talk) 22:08, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Coordinate error[edit]

{{geodata-check}}

The following coordinate fixes are needed for UTM Zone36 North


182.72.231.186 (talk) 12:02, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure what correction you want made. Are you referring to this sort of UTM zone? If so, I can't find any mention at all of such a zone in the article (and Cyprus is in zone 36S, as this map shows). The coordinates (of Cyprus and Nicosia) present in the article appear to be correct, though I've tweaked the coordinates of Nicosia a bit. For now, I'm going to close this request; but if you can be more explicit about what you think needs to be corrected in the article, please post a new message below, including the {{geodata-check}} template, and someone will attempt to deal with your concern. Deor (talk) 14:34, 3 February 2014 (UTC)





Requested move: Republic of Cyprus (03.03.2014)[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. This proposed move has been listed nearly a week and no one except the nominator is arguing in favor the proposed move. There may be some support for splitting the article into separate ones, but there is no real consensus to do so and can be discussed in another forum (non-admin closure) Hot Stop talk-contribs 18:05, 9 March 2014 (UTC)



CyprusRepublic of Cyprus

The following text was the original "rationale" from User:Alexyflemming. It was removed by same user 9 March. In order to keep the history of this discussion intact, I asked the user to reinstate it, but this was ignored. I'll leave it to the user to decide if the text shall be standing as it is or if it shall be stricken out. Removing it is not an option. --T*U (talk)

Summary of Rationale for the proposed page name change. (For Extensive Reasoning, Please Visit the Discussion):
1. Fair Approach, Neutrality, Objectivity
2. Robust and Fair Titling
3. Almost closed to objections
4. Google Search
5. Harmony and Consistency of Wikipedia can be reached only with Correct Context: Correct and Fair Usage in other Wiki Languages (Reaching Consistency with Other Foreign Wiki Pages)
6. The Consistency and Harmony of Titlings-in-Other-Languages in Software Programming in Wikipedia and Wiki-Syntax: Not only now but also for the one day in future, the importance of the "consistency and harmony" will be better understood for at least software programming approach of Wikipedia.
7. "Cyprus" redirects to "Republic of Cyprus"; "Republic of Cyprus" redirects to "Cyprus" in various places of Wikipedia wrongly.Alexyflemming (talk) 14:16, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

The following text was added when the above text was removed. --T*U (talk) 16:59, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Summary of Rationale for the proposed page name change. (For Extensive Reasoning, Please Visit the Discussion): (UPDATED)
"Cyprus" is the "island" in general context and the common name of the island (for 13000 years!). When the context is the context of countries, "Republic of Cyprus" may be shorthened/abbreviated as "Cyprus". As long as the context mentioned and covered is clear to make a separation between "Island of Cyprus" and "Republic of Cyprus"; for the things related with "Republic of Cyprus", "Cypriot/Cyprus" may be used to refer the country.
"General" context is much bigger than the "countries" context. Outside of the context of "countries", "Cyprus" is not the common name of the state ("Republic of Cyprus"), but the common name of the "island". In universal naming standards, the "GENERAL" context is much bigger than and far overrides the "COUNTRIES" context. In universal naming standards, the bigger entity always takes the name. The entity "island of Cyprus" is much bigger than the entity "Republic of Cyprus".
Alexyflemming (talk) 14:16, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


Rationale for the proposed page name change:
1. Fair Approach, Neutrality, Objectivity:
The reasons why "Republic of Ireland" is placed as "Republic of Ireland" instead of "Ireland" are mutatis mutandis same and valid with "Republic of Cyprus"
In Wikipedia, "Republic of Ireland" is not addressed as "Ireland", but "Republic of Ireland". The reasoning and philosphy behind this addressing are mutandis mutandis valid for "Republic of Cyprus" and "Cyprus (island)" as well.

The common parlance of "Cyprus" usually refers to island of Cyprus generally. Referring to the "island of Cyprus" with "the country Rep. of Cyprus" with 6 districts (Kyrenia, Famagusta, Nicosia, Paphos, Limassol, Larnaca) instead of the "island of Cyprus" is definitely leading myriad misconceptions and miscomprehensions. (referring wrongly to country Rep. of Cyprus instead of the true citation of island of Cyprus).

Cyprus is the common name for the island, which has a much longer history than the state. Cyprus means so many different things to so many different people. The island is the broader usage. It is not at all clear that Cyprus refers to the country more than the island. It is generally best with a name like that to refer to the more general entity. "Republic of Cyprus" is a recognised disambiguator for the country.

"Cyprus" has been used for the island for much longer than the modern state, by more than several thousand years. There really a need to move the article on the state to "Republic of Cyprus".
NGrams:
Cyprus (from 1900 to 1959) (before "Republic of Cyprus" have born)
Cypriot (from 1900 to 1959) (before "Republic of Cyprus" have born)

2. Robust and Fair Titling:
Titling "Republic of Cyprus" as "Republic of Cyprus" is robust, fair, and ethical. The current titling sends all the "Cyprus", "Cypriot" mentionings to "Republic of Cyprus", which is definitely wrong.

Wikipedia guidelines and policies (disambiguation guidelines (WP:DABCONCEPT and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC)), and current usages promote this re-titling.

When someone talks about the culture, history, geography, sport, people, and so on, of "Cyprus", they mean not the "country Rep. of Cyprus".

3. Almost closed to objections:
The usage of "Cyprus" for "Republic of Cyprus" has definitely includes many bias/conditioning in it. On the other hand, the usage of "Republic of Cyprus" for "Republic of Cyprus" includes no bias/conditioning and removes any such.

4. Google Search:
"Cyprus": 92,700,000 results
https://www.google.com.tr/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=mEoUU-vHMamh8wfX64CADg#q=Cyprus

"Cyprus" without "Republic of Cyprus": 1,290,000 results
https://www.google.com.tr/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=mEoUU-vHMamh8wfX64CADg#q=Cyprus++-%22Republic+of+Cyprus%22

5. Harmony and Consistency of Wikipedia can be reached only with Correct Context: Correct and Fair Usage in other Wiki Languages (Reaching Consistency with Other Foreign Wiki Pages):
Cyprus As "Island", not "State":

LANGUAGE WIKI ISLAND of Cyprus REPUBLIC of Cyprus
Alemannish Wiki Zypern Republik Zypern
QirimTatarish Wiki Kiprenez Republik Kiprenez
FRENCH WIKI CHYPRE CHYPRE (PAYS)
GERMAN WIKI ZYPERN REPUBLIK ZYPERN
Magyar Wiki Ciprus Ciprusi Koztarsasag
SIMPLE ENGLISH WIKI CYPRUS REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS
Suomi Wiki Kypros Kyproksen tasavalta
Turkish Wiki Kibris Kibris Cumhuriyeti
Turkmence Wiki Kipr Kipr Respublikasy
Zeeuws Wiki Cyprus ...

Languages with Ambiguation Wiki Pages:
Azerbaijani Wiki:
Cyprus (Ambiguation Page): https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipr
Republic of Cyprus: https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipr_Respublikas%C4%B1
Island of Cyprus: https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipr_(ada) (Kipr_ada means Cyprus_(island))

Balarussian Wiki:
Republic of Cyprus: https://be.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%8D%D1%81%D0%BF%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%BB%D1%96%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%9A%D1%96%D0%BF%D1%80 (Respublica Kipr) Island of Cyprus: https://be.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%9E_%D0%9A%D1%96%D0%BF%D1%80 (Vostrai Kipr)

Cavashla Wiki:
https://cv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%80 (Kipr)

6. The Consistency and Harmony of Titlings-in-Other-Languages in Software Programming in Wikipedia and Wiki-Syntax: Not only now but also for the one day in future, the importance of the "consistency and harmony" will be better understood for at least software programming approach of Wikipedia.

7. "Republic of Cyprus" redirects to "Cyprus" in various places of Wikipedia:
This is injection of bias/conditioning. Nothing else. See the degree of injection of bias/conditioning: Even Cyprus_(island) redirects to Cyprus(as Republic of Cyprus). Wikipedia is the PEDIA of the whole world, not the sole world of Helens. The Helens prevented the creation of even the "Cyprus (island)" article. This is completely injustice.

Note: Please specify all your pro-con arguements below the move request so that no troubles exists with the original move request. Alexyflemming (talk) 11:56, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

  • Yes, it seems reasonable to me to follow the Ireland model -- in having a separate article for the island w/ its geography and whatever else. I think it is very hard to come to any sort of concrete conclusion about the manner in which the word's used most often, so for the sake of neutrality, I'm leaning towards support (though Cyprus (country) might be a better destination). It may have been better to have an RfC before the RM. — Lfdder (talk) 13:10, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
  • No. I disagree, this subject has been repeatedly discussed in the past, please see the archives. To me the above request perfectly aligns with a very strong Turkish POV, the official Turkish view one may find in Turkish sources. At its core lays the political aim of creating the environment for political recognition for TRNC on the Turkish occupied northern part of the Republic of Cyprus. What the international community sees as a nation state and Turkey sees as non existent. The island and the Republic of Cyprus are one 23x2 φ 13:32, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
"this subject has been repeatedly discussed in the past": When? Proof? The consensus (if ever reached) holds to continue?
"...request perfectly aligns with a very strong Turkish POV": does it? See Alemannish Wiki, QirimTatarish Wiki, FRENCH WIKI, GERMAN WIKI, Magyar Wiki, SIMPLE ENGLISH WIKI, Suomi Wiki, Zeeuws Wiki. Are Merkel's Germany, FormerSarkozy's French, aligning themselves with Turkish POV? In none of these wikis, "Republic of Cyprus" was titled as "Cyprus". Instead, the fair and true usage is on the arena:"Republik Zypern", "Republik Kiprenez", "Chypre (pays)", "Republik Zypern", "Ciprusi Koztarsasag", "Republic of Cyprus", "Kyproksen tasavalta", are being used for "Republic of Cyprus" in different language Wikipedia world.
"...the political aim of creating the environment for political recognition for TRNC on the Turkish occupied northern part of the Republic of Cyprus...": Nope, Does the entitling "Republic of Cyprus" as "Republic of Cyprus" create any unfair environment, or prevent any unfair environment? Is the request that "the calling "cat" as a "cat"" POV?
What the international community sees as a nation state: Really? The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) chooses Greek Cypriot representatives from the Assembly of Republic of Cyprus and Turkish Cypriot representatives from the Assembly of Northern Cyprus, neither the country nor the assembly of which is not recognized by "Republic of Cyprus".
The "island Cyprus" and the "Republic of Cyprus" are existent: It is not discussed here. What is discussed is the "island Cyprus" and the "Republic of Cyprus" are existent, but different ENTITIES. The former is bigger than the latter. Currently, the bigger one was embedded in the smaller one!Alexyflemming (talk) 14:06, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Just to the point about other Wikis: Not very important anyway, but there are currently 29 Wikis with two different articles, 200 with only one of the 200 Wikis that have an article. Also: PACE does not "choose ... representatives from the Assembly of Northern Cyprus". --T*U (talk) 18:06, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose but split; there is no reason in the world that we should not have an article of the island of Cyprus a la Ireland or Geography of Cuba (which Cuba (island) redirects to), etc. And it should be clearer (like in Western Sahara) which parts of the island the Republic claims as well as what it actually controls. Nevertheless, the region is not as important a topic as the country that covers most of it; see Canada as compared to Geography of Canada and compare page views. Red Slash 16:45, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose This move request is a perennial issue. This time it is requested by Alexyflemming who is basically a Northern Cyprus SPA and he is using it to get his way on other discussions he had recently, especially at Talk:Foreign relations of Northern Cyprus where he is desperately trying, using massive amounts of synthesis and original research, to separate the term "Cyprus" from that of "RoC". I also advise Alexyflemming not to attack the ethnicity of the Greek editors as he has done above: Wikipedia is the PEDIA of the whole world, not the sole world of Helens. This is the silliest and most offensive approach to editing. It is also facile, bigoted and nonsensical because it ignores the many non-Greek editors who have opposed repeatedly this move. The most recent move request was from January 2013 where it was established unequivocally that the vast majority of reliable sources of any country refer to the republic simply as Cyprus. Below is a sample of the many sources which refer to RoC as "Cyprus", copy and pasted from last year's discussion which is archived:

Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 17:13, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

  • The idea is that the island and the republic are coterminous. Unlike Ireland, which is legally separated, the separation of Cyprus is not recognised internationally. Cyprus is recognised as an island and as republic and the reliable sources make no distinction between the two. In the case of Cuba, it could also redirect to Cuba itself. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 17:57, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
  • I still don't see why we've got to conflate the island w/ its present political entity. They're coterminous in space, but not in time. — Lfdder (talk) 18:12, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Historically, the island and the island nation of Cyprus have been considered to be the same. The republic is just the latest point in time and is still considered to be the same as the island and it is recognised as such by the reliable sources which don't make any such distinction and use the term Cyprus to refer to the republic, thus making it the common name of the republic. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 19:03, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm not disputing it is the common name for the Republic (as it is for the island!), but making a distinction btn the island and the state is not altogether pointless. I think that maybe there should be a Cyprus (island) article, irrespective of whatever happens to this one. — Lfdder (talk) 19:24, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Nope! Historically, in Cyprus island, there were more than one nations/identities at a time for the last millennium: "Catholics+Orthodox Christians", "Greek Cypriots+Turkish Cypriots", etc. Hence, the word "the island nation of Cyprus" is almost nil (other than to some politicians) till now, and definitely would be so in future! See 2014 Cyprus Joint Declaration FIRST ARTICLE: "....Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots, respecting democratic principles, human rights and fundamental freedoms, as well as each other’s distinct identity...". Your island "nation" of Cyprus has always more than one distinct identities, and therefore have not become "one nation" throughout the history.
  • island nation comedy: When one mentions a certain people as a nation, there appears at least one dominant character (religion, ethnicity, language, culture, etc.) in that people. What is the religion, ethnicity, language, culture of this "the" island "nation" pre-1571 and post 1571? Forget experts even beginners know that there is no "the" "nation" in Cyprus island. Pre-1571 it was "CatholicChristian/OrthodoxChristian", "Frankish&Italian/GreekCypriot", "Latin/Greek", "Latin/Helen"; post-1571 it was "Islam/OrthodoxChristian", "Turk/Greek", "Turkish/Greek", "Turk/Helen". There occurred lots of conflicts, struggles and wars for the last millenium within the people of Cyprus island since the people of Cyprus island is not a "nation". Notice, in the 7th reasoning I wrote: "Wikipedia is the PEDIA of the whole world, not the sole world of Helens". This "the" island "nation" injection of bias/pre-conditioning is rather a merit of a politician, not a fair Wikipedian. Such edits are normal and can be tolerable in Helenpedia, but not in honest, neutral and fair-approached Wikipedia. By the way, the "island nation" seen in your 31-points is the "island nation" of "Republic of Cyprus", not "island nation" of "island of Cyprus" since there is no such.Alexyflemming (talk) 07:35, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Please leave your attempts at ethnic baiting and your odious original research. From the US Department of State website:

    COUNTRY DESCRIPTION: Cyprus is an island nation in the eastern Mediterranean Sea. Since 1974, Cyprus has been divided between a government-controlled area, comprising the southern two-thirds of the island, and a northern third administered by Turkish Cypriots. The United States does not recognize the “Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus,” nor does any country other than Turkey. Facilities for tourism in Cyprus are highly developed. Cyprus joined the European Union in 2004. Read the Department of State’s Background Notes on Cyprus for additional information.

  • It is clear: Cyprus is an island nation. Note the sentence: Cyprus joined the European Union in 2004 No "Republic", no "Island", just "Cyprus". Period. Are we going to second-guess the United States Department of State?
  • From the Cyprus country profile on BBC:

    Soon afterwards the EU invited Cyprus to become a member.

  • Note the sentence: EU invited Cyprus to become a member. No "Republic", no "Island", just "Cyprus". Period. Are we going to second-guess the BBC?
  • I have more:
  • From the European Union Cyprus Year of EU entry:

    Cyprus: 2004 Capital city: Nicosia Total area: 9 250 km² Population: 0.8 million Currency: Member of the eurozone since 2008 (€) Schengen area: Not a member of Schengen

  • Note the entry name: Cyprus. No "Republic", no "Island", just "Cyprus". Period. Are we going to second-guess the European Union?
  • Another example:
  • <ref name="MeltonBaumann2010">{{cite book|author1=J. Gordon Melton|author2=Martin Baumann|title=Religions of the World, Second Edition: A Comprehensive Encyclopedia of Beliefs and Practices|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=v2yiyLLOj88C&pg=PA842|accessdate=27 December 2012|date=21 September 2010|publisher=ABC-CLIO|isbn=978-1-59884-204-3|pages=842–|quotation=Cyprus, an island nation in the middle of the Mediterranean Sea, was home to one of the oldest civilizations in the Mediterranean Basin. Today, its 3,600 square miles of land are inhabited by 793,000 people, the great majority of Greek ...}}</ref>

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  • What you miss (intentionally or not) is that you disregard the very fact that, in all of your examples, the context is the "CONTEXT of the COUNTRY (RoC)": "COUNTRY DESCRIPTION:...."; "Cyprus country profile on BBC:"; The link of your 3rd source: http://europa.eu/about-eu/countries/member-countries/cyprus/index_en.htm " Did you notice the word "Countries" in the link?
The similar examples are found when "Republic of Ireland" is frequently cited as "Ireland", even in the very sources you cited:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/country_profiles BBC mentions "Republic of Ireland" as "Ireland". "Country profile: Ireland", "Country profile: Cyprus", "Timeline: Ireland", "Timeline: Cyprus" are all in the same source you cited.
There are billions of contexts independent of "Republic of Cyprus" (country)! In "Cyprus/Cypriot" issue, the "Republic of Cyprus/Of Republic of Cyprus" is THE SUBSET OF "island of Cyprus".
As an expert, I want to redirect you to Makarios (1st President of Rep. of Cyprus, you know):
This way, Makarios (1st President of Rep. of Cyprus) emphasized the absence of "the" "nation" of Cyprus island!:
Makarios:"Donkeys: the only true Cypriots on Cyprus"
Makarios: "Donkeys: the only true Cypriots on Cyprus"
Makarios:"There's only one living Cypriot in Cyprus and that is the Cypriot donkey"
Alexyflemming (talk) 09:14, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
"Republic of Cyprus" is not considered to be the same as "Island of Cyprus". 1st of all, in 6% of the island, RoC has no sovereignty (both de jure+de facto: SBAs+UNFCYP Buffer Zone). 2nd, for the remaining 94%, RoC has no de facto control. The 37% of island got some sort of status, independent of RoC.Alexyflemming (talk) 11:44, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
  • "Island of Cyprus" and "Republic of Cyprus" are not coterminous not only "in time" but also "in space": In 6% of the Island, the "Republic of Cyprus" has no sovereignity/jurisdiction. See UK's "3% Sovereign Base Area" and UN's "3% UNFICYP Buffer Zone". Aside from this, for the remaining 94%, the RoC has no de facto sovereignity/control in 37%. Hence, RoC has only control in "57% (de facto+de jure)+37%(some de jure)". Hence, the case of Jamaica is completely different from RoC. Jamaica has 100% control, not only de jure but also de facto. Alexyflemming (talk) 10:51, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
  • True about the SBAs, but the buffer zone isn't another state or another state's. — Lfdder (talk) 17:20, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
  • True for "Republic of Cyprus (RoC)" as well (i.e. True for "Buffer Zone" as well). RoC has no sovereignity/jurisdiction over UN Buffer Zone. UNFICYP governs Buffer Zone, not RoC:
1. RoC cannot raise any RoC flag in UN Buffer Zone in Cyprus island.
2. UNFICYP lists RoC's unlawful actions, warns RoC and prevents RoC's actions in UN Buffer Zone in Cyprus island.
"...where UNFICYP is responsible for the conduct of law enforcement..." and "...UNFICYP issued a press statement reminding hunters that hunting in the buffer zone was not allowed..."
3. No RoC police, official, authority can enter "Buffer Zone" without the permission of UNFICYP.Alexyflemming (talk) 10:31, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
  • The "Island of Cyprus" and "Republic of Cyprus" are not coterminous:
So, there are millions of reliable sources that make distinction between the two (the island and the country).
Legal Separation: The absence of legal separation in the framework of United Nations does not mean no legal separation existed elsewhere.
a. Just like Ireland, the laws of the entities in the island (Republic of Cyprus, Northern Cyprus) are regarded as legal in the area they govern:
In July 2013, ECtHR stated that "...notwithstanding the lack of international recognition of the regime in the northern area, a de facto recognition of its acts may be rendered necessary for practical purposes. Thus, the adoption by the authorities of the "TRNC" of civil, administrative or criminal law measures, and their application or enforcement within that territory, may be regarded as having a legal basis in domestic law for the purposes of the Convention".ECHR Decision 02.07.2013, App. nos. 9130/09 and 9143/09; Pavlides v. Turkey; Georgakis v. Turkey
b. According to ECtHR decisions, All of the citizens of Rep. of Cyprus without any exception has to apply to the institutions of the entity in the North part of Cyprus before applying ECtHR. That is to say, the laws of authorities of the state in North part of Cyprus is "domestic remedy" according to ECtHR.
c. The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe: The representatives from the Cyprus island: Greek Cypriot Representatives of PACE are elected in the Assembly of "Republic of Cyprus", Turkish Cypriot Representatives of PACE are elected in the Assembly of "Northern Cyprus".
Turkish Cypriot representators of PACE chosen in the Assembly of Northern Cyprus: 2005-2007: CTP Özdil Nami; UBP Huseyin Ozgurgun; 27.01.2011 CTP Mehmet Caglar; UBP Ahmet Eti;04.12.2013 CTP Mehmet Caglar, UBP Tahsin Ertugruloglu.
d. Different procedures apply to the Passports of Republic of Cyprus and Northern Cyprus. The Official Website of United Kingdom Border Agency:
Procedure for Passports of Republic of Cyprus: https://www.gov.uk/check-uk-visa/y/cyprus
Procedure for Passports of Northern Cyprus: https://www.gov.uk/check-uk-visa/y/cyprus-north/transit/no
As for the personal attack: Being an "expert on Northern Cyprus" does not make me "Northern Cyprus SPA". Alexyflemming (talk) 08:00, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I suppose we have to live with this regular repetition of the same debate. Now a move is suggested, but I expect the proposer actually means a split, with separate articles about the island and the Rep.? I oppose both move and split. There is no need for two separate articles about the same. There are not two articles about the state Jamaica and the island Jamaica, is there (just an example). Ireland is a different case, since the Rep. and the island are not the same area. --T*U (talk) 18:01, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Island of Jamaica is a redirect to Geography of Jamaica, which discusses the physical location on which you find the country of Jamaica. We have a similar situation in several other articles. Red Slash 22:50, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Ah, yes! And we already have the article Geography of Cyprus, so that gives even less reason to make a separate article about the island. --T*U (talk) 07:23, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Split the island and its history should be separated from the two modern countries currently occupying the island. Until they are reunified, "Cyprus" island and history, should be the primary topic. Peacekeeping in Cyprus refers to the island. Most news items I see are about the island and the conflict between the two sides, not the one particular country. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 01:14, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
"Island of Cyprus" and "Republic of Cyprus" are two separate articles and they are not about the same thing.
The case of Rep. of Cyprus is similar not to Jamaica but to Rep. of Ireland:
a. Area Control: Jamaica controls 100% of its area (de facto+de jure). Rep. of Ireland controls less than 100%(de facto+de jure) of the island. In 6% of the Cyprus Island, the "Republic of Cyprus" has no sovereignity/jurisdiction. See UK's "3% Sovereign Base Area" and UN's "3% UNFICYP Buffer Zone". Aside from this, for the remaining 94%, the RoC has no de facto sovereignity/control in 37%. Hence, RoC has only control in "57% (de facto+de jure)+37%(some de jure)".
b. Identity: There is one nation/identity in Jamaica (Jamaicans). In Ireland island, two nations/identities appear (Catolics+Protestans, defining themselves having separate identity). In Cyprus island, two nations/identities appear (Greek Cypriots+Turkish Cypriots, defining themselves having separate identity). Alexyflemming (talk) 11:20, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment to Alexyflemming's 37 sources: A quick check proves that those sources do not say what they are claimed to say. No.1 talks about the island Cyprus and its capital Nicosia. Islands do not have capitals, but states have, so the island Cyprus is equalled to the state RoC in this source. No.2 gives the timeline of the island Cyprus, and if you click on to the fact file, the Cyprus profile gives the "Full name: Republic of Cyprus", so the island Cyprus is clearly equalled to the state RoC in this source. Even No.3, a NorthCyprus source states that Cyprus is "theoretically independent". Islands are not independent, states are, so Cyprus is equalled to the "theoretical" state even her. If all the other sources are of the same kind, they do not prove what they are claimed to prove. On the contrary, they could be added to Dr.K.'s list of 31.
Another thing: Could you please, please, please not edit your new answers into old posts and please try to keep indentations etc., so that it is possible to follow the threads without other people having to clean up after you. --T*U (talk) 12:06, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
  • TU-nor, check the sources not "quickly" but "carefully":
  • As for See No.1 and carefully read No.1 once again
"Cyprus" has stood at one of the geographical"-->Island
"it" was the birthplace of the Ancient Greek goddess"-->Island
Cyprus came under the rule of the Byzantine Empire-->Island
For the next 1,500 years, Cyprus remained-->Island
Cypriot legend claims the Greek goddess of love-->Island/People
During the Arab-Byzantine wars between the 7th and 11th century, Cyprus was-->Island
to the mid-20th century as Cyprus fell variously to Richard I of England-->Island
What's Cyprus' connection to wine and the crusades-->Island
Cyprus in the 20th century-->Island
By the time Cyprus came under British administration in 1878-->Island
When it comes to "since 1960"
In July 1974, the Greek military junta backed a coup d'etat in Cyprus--> Island/Republic not clear.
Cyprus has existed as a de-facto divided country --> Republic
The increased frequency of intersection of "Cyprus" with "Republic of Cyprus" is only for the last 50 years. "Cyprus" was/is/willbe "Cyprus" for 11,000 years, long before "Republic of Cyprus" was founded in 1960.Alexyflemming (talk) 13:32, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
"backed a coup d'etat in Cyprus", "Cyprus has existed as a de-facto divided country" This is exactly the point: Cyprus is used for the island, Cyprus is used for the republic. The common name of the republic is "Cyprus", as you yourself shows: "Island/Republic not clear". --T*U (talk) 14:00, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Island/Republic is not clear in only 1 place, but on the other hand, in 10/12 places of the article, "Cyprus" refers "crystal clearly" to the "island" instead of "republic". Hence, focusing on 1/12 while omitting 10/12 does not help us to reach a sound and robust conclusion.
  • As for No.2; "The Timeline" is independent of "Rep. of Cyprus" and takes the developments in Cyprus(island) before "Rep. of Cyprus" was founded. As for the other thing, the context of Timeline and Country-Fact-Profile are not the same. To reach the Fact File, one must first click: Profile: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-17217956 ,then click to Cyprus Profile Facts: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-17219244 . Reaching the "Republic of Cyprus" from Cyprus via clickings to here and there is normal. One can reach the "Cyprus(island)" from clicking to here and there from "Republic of Cyprus" as well.Alexyflemming (talk) 14:17, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
  • As for No.3;
A Brief History of Cyprus-->Island
Cyprus, the third largest island-->Island
Even today, while theoretically independent, the Greeks, Turks, Europe and the USA all try to extend their influence over the island.--> Northern Cyprus is also theoretically independent besides "Rep. of Cyprus". Hence, the mentioning of "theoretically independent" does go to not only "Rep. of Cyprus", but also "Turkish Rep. of N. Cyprus"
Cyprus has had many names-->Island
During the Early Bronze Age the first towns and economic centres developed in Cyprus-->Island
The destruction of the Hyksos Kingdom and the revival of Egypt as the leading power in the eastern Mediterranean created for Cyprus-->Island
The transition to the Iron Age was for Cyprus, as for Greece, a dark age-->Island
The colonisers arrived in Cyprus from Tyre in the 9th century BC-->Island
In the 8th century BC, Cyprus was-->Island
Cypriot cities-->Island
The uprising of the coastal towns of Asia Minor against the Persians in 499 BC led to a polarisation in Cyprus-->Island
The Delian League, an association of Greek City States set up by Athens to regain territory lost to the Persians, saw Cyprus important both strategically-->Island
authority throughout Cyprus, the Persians intervened-->Island
Hence, all in all, 12/13 of the "Cyprus" mentioning crstal clearly refers to "island", not to "Republic of Cyprus". 1/13 of the "Cyprus" mentioning refers to "Republic of Cyprus + Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" together.
Hence, TU-nor, please, please, please, ..., please,
No.1 10/12 of the "Cyprus" mentioning crstal clearly refers to "island"
No.3 12/13 of the "Cyprus" mentioning crstal clearly refers to "island"
Please, do not be so selective to take "Cyprus" as "Republic of Cyprus"Alexyflemming (talk) 14:42, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
You are completely missing the point. Nobody denies that Cyprus is the common name of the island. But it is also the common name of the state, as your souces clearly shows. From your No.2: "Cyprus gains independence", "Copenhagen invites Cyprus", "Cyprus is one of 10 new states to join the EU", just as examples. Cyprus island, Cyprus state, one article Cyprus. --T*U (talk) 15:36, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Yes, "Cyprus" is the common name of the island since 11,000BC (for 13,000 years)! Yes, "Cyprus" is frequently used for the state "Republic of Cyprus". There are many reasons for this. The abreviations are frequently used for the countries; i.e. "Austria" instead of "Republic of Austria". There is no problem as long as shortening the name of country does not cause any problem.
Addition 8 March: (((In European Countries Biologist Association, for example, since there existed possibility of confusion (North Cyprus and Republic of Cyprus are 2 different members there), ECBA did not make such shorthening of "Republic of Cyprus" to "Cyprus".)))
In the case of "Republic of Cyprus" (founded in 1960), it is problematic just as "Republic of Ireland" (founded in 1916). The very reasons for "Republic of Ireland" is not abreviated as "Ireland" in Wikipedia are mutatis mutandis valid and same for "Republic of Cyprus" (Notice, in French, German, Simple English Wikipedia, "Cyprus" is island, not "Republic of Cyprus"). As for Jamaica-Cyprus similarity, "Rep. of Cyprus" is on the side of "Rep. of Ireland" rather than Jamaica.
As for No.2,
"1960: Cyprus gains independence", "2002: Copenhagen invites Cyprus", "2004:Cyprus is one of 10 new states to join the EU".
ALL of these key events are after 1960 (After the foundation of Rep. of Cyprus). The "Cyprus" citation is to the "Republic of Cyprus". But, this is just due to the context of the text. There are many post-1960 contexts that The "Cyprus" citation is to the island as well.
In No.2, there are key events before 1960:
"1914:Cyprus annexed by Britain, after more than 300 years of Ottoman rule. Britain had occupied the island in 1878, although it remained nominally under Ottoman sovereignty.
"1925: Becomes crown colony"
In ALL of pre-1960 key events, the "Cyprus" citation is to the island.
There are many places that omittance of "Republic of" in RoC does not make any problem. However, there are many places as well that sending the mentioning of "Cyprus" to "Republic of Cyprus" is completely erroneous (this is valid for both pre-1960 and post-1960 period). There are 92 millions of "Cyprus" mentionings in Google. One cannot project ALL "Cyprus" mentionings (11,000BC-2014) to "Republic of Cyprus"(1960-2014). One cannot project ALL "History, People, Music, Culture, Sports, ..." (11,000BC-2014) to "Republic of Cyprus"(1960-2014).Alexyflemming (talk) 19:20, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
I have stricken out user Alexyflemming's last edit. It is inappropriate to enter new arguments into old posts that have been answered and discussed further. If there are new points to add, they must presented as new points, not as parts of older arguments. --T*U (talk) 08:52, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
After the extremeley heavy reaction from User:Alexyflemming I unstrike the sentence and try another approach. The point is to separate the addition of 8 March from the original post time stamped 4 March to preserve some sort of order to the chronology for the benefit of people trying to read this discussion. It is difficult enough as it is. --T*U (talk) 09:58, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Well, it is not I who have proposed moving "Cyprus" article to "Republic of Cyprus". --T*U (talk) 22:26, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Nope! You misunderstand. What I mean is that:Currently, in English Wikipedia (as opposite to Simple English Wikipedia, French Wikipedia, German Wikipedia, ...), the "Republic of Cyprus" was coded as "Cyprus" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYPRUS). This coding enforces ALL "Cyprus Island"-related things to be handled as if it is related with "Republic of Cyprus". And, this coding enforces the adjective "CyprIOT" to be equal to "OF Republic of Cyprus". This is wrong. There are many mentionings of "Cyprus"-related things in Wikipedia with NO relation to "Republic of Cyprus". There are many usages of "Cypriot" in Wikipedia and elsewhere that the usages do not have any relation to "Republic of Cyprus". Hence, just as "Simple English, French, German,..." Wikipedia, "Republic of Cyprus" must be coded as "Republic of Cyprus". Alexyflemming (talk) 10:14, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
  • The demonym would still be Cypriot even if we were to move the article. — Lfdder (talk) 11:44, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
  • As long as the context mentioned and covered is clear to make a separation between "Island of Cyprus" and "Republic of Cyprus", one can use "Cypriot" to refer to the things related with "Republic of Cyprus".
What is objected is not the usage of "Cypriot/Cyprus" for "Republic of Cyprus". What is objected is:
the restricting the usage "Cypriot/Cyprus" to solely to "Republic of Cyprus";
the equalizing "Cypriot/Cyprus" with "Of Republic of Cyprus/Republic of Cyprus";
the projecting the (11,000BC-2014) to (1960-2014) incorrectly;
the (intentional or not) omitting the difference between (11,000BC-2014; island) to (1960-2014; republic).
In English, the PRIMARY USAGE of "Cyprus" belongs to "island", not to "state". Cyprus is an abbreviation of "Republic of Cyprus"; but, "Cyprus" is "Cyprus" for the island. Even when the Republic's history is covered, with the frequent mentionings and citations to 100s/1000s years before 1960, what is covered (in the context when RoC is covered) is mainly the history of "island", not of "state". There are billions of contexts, completely independent of RoC. These "billions" of contexts may be well covered and referred with the correct baselining (Wiki-coding):"Cyprus" for "island of Cyprus", "Republic of Cyprus" for "Republic of Cyprus", just as it is in "Simple English, French, German Wiki,..".Alexyflemming (talk) 13:22, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Nobody is 'restricting the usage "Cypriot/Cyprus" to solely to "Republic of Cyprus"'. On the contrary, the article uses Cyprus for the island and Cyprus for the republic. Nobody is 'equalizing "Cypriot/Cyprus" with "Of Republic of Cyprus/Republic of Cyprus"' for other periods than the republic. Nobody is 'projecting the (11,000BC-2014) to (1960-2014)'. The article has the full history of the island, including the history of the republic. Nobody is 'omitting the difference between (11,000BC-2014; island) to (1960-2014; republic', so if you find anything in the article that says that the republic was created before 1960 or similar errors, then correct them.
The argument about other Wikipedias is not really important, but since you keep harping at it, I will explain: There are 171 Wikis that have only one article about Cyprus island and republic (including the Zeelandic you claim supports your case). There are 29 that have separate articles for the island and the republic. Of these 29 there are 10 that have the equivalent of "Cyprus" for the island and the equivalent of "Republic of Cyprus" or "Cyprus (state)" or similar for the republic. French and Hungarian are not among these, contrary to your claim. Furthermore there are 8 that have two separate articles where none of them use only "Cyprus". (It is among these we find French and Hungarian.) The last 11 have "Cyprus" for the republic and "Cyprus (island)", "Geography of Cyprus" or similar for the island. Against you claim, Belarussian is among these. All in all there are 182 Wikis with only one article or with "Cyprus" for the republic, 10 with "Cyprus" for the island and 8 "neutral". So could we now put this "harmony and consistency" argument of yours down, please. Especially since you seem to argue from false or imprecise "facts". --T*U (talk) 14:49, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
  • You say "The article has the full history of the island, including the history of the republic". That is it. full history of the island, not the republic. "Fullness is peculiar to island, not to the republic. History of "the republic" is only a proper subset of history of the island. 50 years is only a proper subset of 13000 years ((11000BC-2014)>(1960-2014)) just as in the case of "Ireland", ((7000BC-2014)>(1922-2014)).
  • You say "if you find anything in the article that says that the republic was created before 1960 or similar errors, then correct them". What I mean by "equating" is not this kind of error. The error you referred in your this sentence is the syntax-error-kind; what I want to emphasize is not that kind of syntax error, but logical-error-kind.
  • Nope! My arguement about mixed soup of "titlings" of the same entities in various languaged Wikipedia is important. In programming, one of the most desired things is the existence of a robust pattern. See once more and more and more... to French and Hungarian Wiki. See the Fairness/Ethic/Honor. French and Hungarian Wiki very supports my reasoning:
  • English of French Wiki (GoogleTranslate):
Cyprus may refer to:
...Cyprus, an island in the Mediterranean Sea;
........Cyprus, a Roman province;
........Cyprus, a theme of the Byzantine Empire (965-1191);
........the Kingdom of Cyprus , a part of the kingdom of East Latin states (1192-1489);
........the British colony of Cyprus (1878-1960);
........the Republic of Cyprus , which occupies a republic de jure the entire island of the same name but de facto the southern part;
........the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus , a self-proclaimed largely unrecognized by the international community and located in the northern part of Cyprus State;
the cyprus an agreement perfumery.
The first thing in referring "Cyprus" is the island. The entities established on the island are indentated. That is to say, "proper subsetness" is provided via indentation.
English of Hungarian Wiki (GoogleTranslate):
Cyprus (disambiguation)
....Cyprus , the Mediterranean's third largest island of the Republic of Cyprus (or one third of the territory of the internationally unrecognized Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus) and two UK sovereign base, is located on Akrotiri
....Republic of Cyprus, the European Union Member States, de jure majority of the island, but in fact the southern two-thirds of which 82% of the Greek population, 18% of Turkish language
....Northern Cyprus, Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus northern third of the island of Cyprus, the de jure Republic of Cyprus occupied by Turkey in the area of de facto one militarily, economically and demographically independent space Turkish population
Flora
...Cyprus animals (Cupressaceae), the shape of the order of one of the pine family worldwide
Sport
....Cyprus Rally (Cyprus Rally) is a rally on the island of Cyprus
So, the fairness I mentioned do also exist in Hungarian Wiki. The Disambiguation page honorously gives the first reference to "island" (which is bigger entity than RoC), then RoC (which is bigger entity than TRNC). Notice, here I am not discussing the recognition/nonrecognition. The place of this is not the disambiguation pages.
When starting the (English Wiki) article "Cyprus" with "Cyprus, officially the Republic of Cyprus, is..." and putting a very large tag (depicting Republic's flag, info, etc.) to the right of the page what is equated is the "Cyprus=Republic", not "Cyprus=Island". Alexyflemming (talk) 14:40, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
What I refuted, was your false claim (in the table above) that the French and Hungarian Wiki use "Chypre" and "Ciprus" as article names for articles about "Island of Cyprus". They do not. They use "Chypre (île)" and "Ciprus (sziget)", respectively. And even counting these and the other "neutrals", there are still 18 against 182. --T*U (talk) 16:57, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
OK then, let me analyze "French Wiki" and "Hungarian Wiki" once more for you.
"French Wiki": As long as "Cyprus" is wanted to be interested, almost nobody concerns with "perfume" trademark "Cyprus" in the last line. That context is completely irrelevant to the things in discussion here. Forgetting that perfumery, looking at the very first infos: "Cyprus may refer to: Cyprus, an island in the Mediterranean Sea" is the "Number 1" info in French Wiki. The other entities that are made subordinate to "Cyprus" via indentation are just the proper subset entities of the entity "Cyprus island". Hence, in essence, the CHYPRE French article, is article of the "Cyprus island".
"Hungarian Wiki": A "disambiguation" page is allocated for "Cyprus". The order of the items in this disambiguation page is "island", "Rep.of Cyprus", "Northern Cyprus". Again and again, The very first mentioning of "Cyprus" goes to the "island" as it must be so! Hence, again, fairness/ethic/honor is observed in Hungarian Wiki as well.
In French Wiki, look once more to Chypre (île). In this page, "Pays (Countries)" are listed as "Chypre"(Cyprus) "Chypre du Nord"(Northern Cyprus), "Royaume-Uni"(United Kingdom). That is to say, "Republic of Cyprus" was shorthened as "Cyprus". Nobody objects to this in the context of "countries". But pay attention, when you come over "Cyprus", "Cyprus(pays)"(Cyprus(country)) is seen, and the "Republic of Cyprus" is coded and covered as "Chypre (pays)" (Cyprus(country)) in French wiki. The objection is the allocation of "Cyprus" to "Republic of Cyprus" in "general" context, not the allocation in "country" context.
One other equally important thing that I want to emphasize is that although the coverage of the "Cyprus" in French/Hungarian/Similar Wiki languages is fair/ethical/honorous, but not "nice, beautiful". That is to say, when one wants to reach and see the "Cyprus" article in Wiki, that one would most probably want to obtain "enough" knowledge of "Cyprus" (i.e. enough knowledge of island; enough knowledge of History, enough knowledge of RoC; enough knowledge of other entities) without clicking somewhere else once more (if that enoughness is enough to him/her). Hence, the coverage style of "Cyprus" that is similar to "Ireland" would definitely be "nice, beautiful" besides "fair/ethical/honorous". Please see the coverage of "Ireland" in English-Wikipedia, especially please see the "Contents". That is what I want to say:
Contents
1 History
1.1 Prehistoric Ireland; 1.2 Emergence of Celtic Ireland; 1.3 Late antiquity and early medieval times; 1.4 Norman and English invasions; 1.5 The Kingdom of Ireland; 1.6 Union with Great Britain; 1.7 Partition
2 Politics
2.1 Republic of Ireland; 2.2 Northern Ireland; 2.3 All-island institutions
3 Economy
3.1 Energy
4 Geography
4.1 Places of interest
5 Flora and fauna
5.1 Impact of agriculture
6 Demography
6.1 Divisions and settlements; 6.2 Migration; 6.3 Languages
7 Culture
7.1 Art; 7.2 Science; 7.3 Sports; 7.4 Food and drink
8 See also
9 Notes
10 References
11 Bibliography
12 External linksAlexyflemming (talk) 09:34, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose Split: Cyprus(island) and Cyprus(Republic) are two terms that usually go together. The Republic of Cyprus is almost always referred to as Cyprus. A look at the last such split request should be enough. KalJohnson (talk) 12:39, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
  • The "island of Cyprus" is almost always referred to as "Cyprus" as well. The entity (island) gave the name "Cyprus" to "Republic of Cyprus"; not the other way around. The name of "Cyprus" (island) does not come from "Republic of Cyprus".Alexyflemming (talk) 13:00, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
  • The discussion about the RoC being continuous with the island has been repeatedly discussed including comments about the British bases, North Cyprus etc. The UK government used to pay rent to the Republic of Cyprus for having the bases but after the war they stopped doing so. Furthermore, the bases are only for military purposes and the laws of the Republic of Cyprus apply to most of the area. The very idea behind the bases agreements was that it won't be yet another British colony but just bases. Finally, the north is also considered part of the Republic of Cyprus by the UN and likewise the buffer zone is considered as territory of the Republic of Cyprus that has been temporarily handed over to the UN for maintaining peace. These reasons are enough for me to still strongly oppose the move KalJohnson (talk) 15:45, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose move/oppose split per WP:COMMONNAME and per KalJohnson. The example of Ireland is inappropriate here. When Northern Ireland is internationally recognized as a part of the UK and therefore Ireland and Republic of Ireland covers different territories, Northern Cyprus is recognized as a part of the Republic of Cyprus (except by one country) and therefore Cyprus and the Republic of Cyprus covers the same territory. Beagel (talk) 09:52, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
  • WP:COMMONNAME:Wikipedia prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources) as such names will be the most recognizable and the most natural.
  • "Cyprus" is the common name of the island (having 13000 years history); even the opposers of this move accept this reality: T*U(TU-nor): "Nobody denies that Cyprus is the common name of the island. But it is also the common name of the state". Cyprus being the "common name" of the "state"(having only 50 years old) is valid only in the context of countries. There are billions of contexts independent of the country ("Republic of Cyprus")! In general context, "Cyprus" is the common name of the island.
  • General context is much bigger than the 'countries context. Outside of the context of countries, "Cyprus" is not the common name of the state ("Republic of Cyprus"), but the common name of the island. In universal naming standards, the GENERAL context much bigger than and far overrides the COUNTRIES context. In universal naming standards, the bigger entity always takes the name. The entity "island of Cyprus" is much bigger than the entity "Republic of Cyprus".
  • Ireland/Rep.ofIreland/Northern Ireland: What is discussed is not the politics of the entities, but rather the very existence of entities (covering different territories; whether de jure or not) and its parlance in English. Hence, Simple English Wiki, French Wiki, German Wiki, ... all allocates "Cyprus" to the "island", and uses equivalents of "Republic of Cyprus" for "Republic of Cyprus". In your sentence "Cyprus and the Republic of Cyprus covers the same territory", the very first "Cyprus" refers to the "island"!
  • Not only time but also space are not equivalent: "Cyprus island" = "Rep. of Cyprus (57% de jure+de facto)+(37%some de jure)"+"Northern Cyprus(37% de facto+some de jure)"+"SOVEREIGN Base Areas of United Kingdom 3%"+"United Nations Buffer Zone 3%". Hence, space equivalence is not true as well.Alexyflemming (talk) 18:30, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Inappropriate Blatant Meddling in the Proofs of the Request "Cyprus->Republic of Cyprus"[edit]

In 7th reasoning I wrote: See the degree of injection of bias/conditioning: Even "Cyprus (island)" redirects to "Cyprus" (as Republic of Cyprus).
03.03.2014 14:16 The move request ("Cyprus->Republic of Cyprus") was made (the "Primary Meaning" of "Cyprus" belongs to "island", not "state")
03.03.2014 18:04 The redirection "Cyprus (island)-->Cyprus" (as the REPUBLIC) was changed to the redirect "Cyprus (island)-->Geography of Cyprus" (GEOGRAPHY)

The move "Cyprus (island)-->Geography of Cyprus" only reduces the degree of bias/conditioning to some extent, but there still remains very big bias/conditioning elsewhere. "Cyprus (island)" is more than "geography"! Culture, People, Sport, etc..Hence, "Cyprus (island)" must be coded as "Cyprus" (as in Simple English, French, German, ...etc. Wikipedia).

The performed redirect "Cyprus (island)-->Geography of Cyprus" that is connected indirectly with the move request "Cyprus-->Republic of Cyprus" justifies the very rightness of the latter.Alexyflemming (talk) 14:26, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

What's your argument here, exactly? It must've flown over my head. — Lfdder (talk) 15:13, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
"if the first trimming of a shirt is mis-buttoned up then the others are mis-buttoned up as well.". "Names" are always attributed to the biggest related entities. In the case of Cyprus, "Rep. of Cyprus" is the subset of "island of Cyprus"; a proper subset! Forget Cyprus, take any entity (independent of country context) you are assigned. What do you do? You normally assign the "name" to the biggest related entity. Then, you take related subordinate entities to extend the topic. In Cyprus, the true coverage should be like that
Cyprus (as island)
-History
-Politics
-Geography
-etc.
"Rep. of Cyprus" is the subset of "Politics of Cyprus (island)" which is the subset of Cyprus (island).
See the coverage of Ireland in Wikipedia:
Ireland
1 History;
1.1 Prehistoric Ireland; 1.2 Emergence of Celtic Ireland; 1.3 Late antiquity and early medieval times; 1.4 Norman and English invasions; ::1.5 The Kingdom of Ireland; 1.6 Union with Great Britain; 1.7 Partition
2 Politics
2.1 Republic of Ireland; 2.2 Northern Ireland; 2.3 All-island institutions
3 Economy
3.1 Energy
4 Geography
4.1 Places of interest
5 Flora and fauna
5.1 Impact of agriculture
6 Demography
6.1 Divisions and settlements; 6.2 Migration; 6.3 Languages
7 Culture
7.1 Art; 7.2 Science; 7.3 Sports; 7.4 Food and drink
This (The coverage-style of Ireland) is "the way of the mind" as long as "no bias/conditioning of politics is mixed to Wikipedia".
That is to say, normal human brain/mind does not redirect "Cyprus (island)-->Geography of Cyprus". Please, do not misunderstand. What did you do (the removing of the bias/conditioning) was fair in your action; you tried to correct the errors of others to some extent. But, be sure that your step does not correct the giant referral and other subsequent errors (stemmed from mis-buttonning up of the very first trimming) in the contexts discussed in Wikipedia and elsewhere. Alexyflemming (talk) 10:01, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Inappropriate Blatant Meddling in the Defense of Reasonability of the Arguments of the Request "Cyprus->Republic of Cyprus"[edit]

TU-nor have stricken out my edit:
(((In European Countries Biologist Association, for example, since there existed possibility of confusion (North Cyprus and Republic of Cyprus are 2 different members there), ECBA did not make such shorthening of "Republic of Cyprus" to "Cyprus".)))
with the pretext "It is inappropriate to enter new arguments into old posts that have been answered and discussed further. If there are new points to add, they must presented as new points, not as parts of older arguments.".:

I did not enter any new arguments to my old post. I gave an example for the very same argument of the old post. I will not use that example elsewhere for any new argument. Again, if TU-nor still cannot catch the argument, let me summarize it again:
"Cyprus" is the "island" in general context and the common name of the island (for 13000 years!). When the context is the context of countries, "Republic of Cyprus" may be shorthened/abbreviated as "Cyprus". As long as the context mentioned and covered is clear to make a separation between "Island of Cyprus" and "Republic of Cyprus"; for the things related with "Republic of Cyprus", "Cypriot/Cyprus" may be used to refer the country.
On the other hand, even in the case of the context of countries, when there is a possibility of confusion, it is up to the Authority whether to use "Cyprus/Cypriot" for "Republic of Cyprus" or not: Nobody can object to use or not to use of "Cyprus" for "Republic of Cyprus" in such confusionary situations in the context of countries. For example, when the member "countries" are listed, "European Countries of Biologist Association" (ECBA) opted to use "Republic of Cyprus" for "Republic of Cypus", and "North Cyprus" for "Northern Cyprus". The abbreviation "Cyprus" was not used for "Republic of Cyprus".

I oppose the stricking out of my defence.Alexyflemming (talk) 20:19, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks you very much TU-nor (T*U) for unstricking out my edit since you cared my sensitivity.Alexyflemming (talk) 10:27, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The Comment on the conclusion of the Move Request ("Cyprus" to "Republic of Cyprus")[edit]

  • "Non-admins should be cautious when closing discussions where significant contentious debate among participants is unresolved.": During closure, the discussions were still vital and continueing. The "move request" should not be finalized at this stage. The move request was still on the "Current Discussions" part.. At least, the ending of only 1 week should have been waited.
  • In the closing remark of non-admin ("The result of the move request was: not moved. This proposed move has been listed nearly a week and no one except the nominator is arguing in favor the proposed move. There may be some support for splitting the article into separate ones, but there is no real consensus to do so and can be discussed in another forum"), look at the "no one except the nominator" phrase. Notice:

"12 Angry Men - Henry Fonda - 1957" is just what I want to say! Even only "1" suffices!

  • Such an important "move request" should have been closed by more satisfactory reasoning and should have been closed by a capable Wiki-admin!Alexyflemming (talk) 19:47, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
I agree. Change is needed. The reality is the island named Cyprus is divided between 3 polities, my country's armed forces don't control the border between nothing. The Republic of Cyprus's article should not be treated as covering the entire island, and the entire island should have an article covering relevant topics (history, demography, politics), and that article should be titled relevantly (such as 'Cyprus (Island)' or 'Island of Cyprus'). Comparably, because Taiwan isn't a recognised state doesn't mean its article should be centred around an island that's part of the PRC. That would be stupid. The bias shown by editors here is immense. A proper discussion on this issue is desperately needed. Regards, Rob (talk | contribs) 18:45, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
The closer is also incorrect in saying nobody but the nominator supported a move, because I did. — Lfdder (talk) 18:55, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
And 70.50.151.11. There was only 6 editors opposed too. Rob (talk | contribs) 19:27, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
@Rob. I disagree. The soveregn bases by the treaty of establishment have no political identity. This has also been explicitly reiterated on 15th of January 2014 where additionally most of the area of the bases has been decided to be administered by Cyprus. I would therefore oppose move68.168.96.205 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 15:19, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Akrotiri and Dhekeliaare a dependent territory of the UK, not part of the Republic of Cyprus. Treaty of Establishment states 'The territory of the Republic of Cyprus shall compromise of the Island of Cyprus together with the islands lying off its coast, with the exception of the two areas defined in Annex A to this treaty, which shall remain under the sovereignty of the United Kingdom'. Nonetheless, the de facto independent state of Northern Cyprus, occupying 3,000 km2 of island, is far more significant. Rob (talk | contribs) 16:17, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Erroneous Closing of the Move Request[edit]

The closing non-admin Hot Stop: "no one except the nominator is arguing in favor the proposed move".
On the other hand; Those who supported the move BEFORE the closure of the non-admin: Alexyflemming, Lfdder, 70.50.151.11.
Those who supported the move AFTER the closure of the non-admin: Rob.
In such a serious move request, tough it is a fact that Wikipedia is not the "head count": The quality of an argument is more important than whether it comes from a minority or a majority, even the counting of the pro votes is erroneous.Alexyflemming (talk) 13:46, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

There's a huge lack of NPOV across Cypriot related articles. I suggest first creating an article at Island of Cyprus which recognises that Northern Cyprus actually exists as a autonomous polity. Thoughts? Rob (talk | contribs) 15:31, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
...which recognizes Northern Cyprus actually exists as a "limited recognized" or "partially recognized" entity is better since these are the WP namings.Alexyflemming (talk) 20:50, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
I've started a draft based off this article: Draft:Island of Cyprus. Rob984 (talk) 21:13, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
I think it is an unnecessary POV fork which does not even have proper GFDL attribution. This article includes ample details about the division and about Northern Cypprus. There is also an article on Northern Cyprus which recognises that Northern Cyprus actually exists as a autonomous polity. - in addition to this one. Per NPOV, we don't need to highlight this further with this misattributed new POV-fork. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 01:53, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
No. It's recognising the de facto situation on the island. Northern Cyprus is administered independently of the Republic of Cyprus. How can you cover neutrally the de facto political make-up of the entire island on an article about the Republic of Cyprus? You can't. It's impossible. Additionally, there's sovereign British territory covering part of the island of Cyprus not claimed by the Republic of Cyprus. You've got to be kidding me if you think this article conforms to NPOV. Seriously? Rob984 (talk) 10:32, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
No. It's recognising the de facto situation on the island.: This is incorrect. This article gives an overview of the situation and the articles on Northern Cyprus and History of Cyprus cover the topic in detail. How can you cover neutrally the de facto political make-up of the entire island on an article about the Republic of Cyprus? You can't. It's impossible. Additionally, there's sovereign British territory covering part of the island of Cyprus not claimed by the Republic of Cyprus.: Yes, you can. There are articles on Northern Cyprus, History of Cyprus, Akrotiri and Dhekelia, Geography of Cyprus etc. which cover these topics per WP:SUMMARYSTYLE, in addition to their coverage in this article. These exact points have been covered before multiple times and there are in the archives where you can look them up. Additionally, there's sovereign British territory covering part of the island of Cyprus not claimed by the Republic of Cyprus.: Incorrect. Cyprus claims the area of the bases and in fact the British used to pay rent for them, at the rate of 12 million pounds sterling annually. In addition at the beginning of the EU presidency of Cyprus, the president of Cyprus gave the inaugural speech of the EU presidency at the base area where he entered without asking the British for permission and specifically mentioned Cyprus' claim to the base area and the symbolism of using the bases as the ground for the inaugural speech. These exact points has been covered in the archives. You've got to be kidding me if you think this article conforms to NPOV.: Please consult the policy on avoiding personal comments. You have created a POV-fork and personal attacks will not deter me from saying so. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 16:10, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Dr. K.:"How can you cover neutrally the de facto political make-up of the entire island on an article about the Republic of Cyprus? You can't. It's impossible.". Dear Dr. K., one can cover every topic from neutral point of view. This is valid for Northern Cyprus-related articles and Cyprus-dispute-related articles as well. Look how United Nations covered it neutrally:
United Nations's standard way of currently handling the issue is from neutral point of view always:
United Nations' Official WebsiteUNFICYP Mandate: "...Following the hostilities of 1974, ..."
United Nations' Official WebsiteUNFICYP Background: "Since the events of 1974, ..."
But, if one sticks to nationalism, etc. then it is impossible to handle the issues from neutral point of view. For example, you, Dr. K. mentioned "island nation of Cyprus" though Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots are completely different nations. To your information, Turkish Cypriots have been living in Cyprus island for 500 years. The number of mixed marriages between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots is less than 5 in 500 years! Turkish Cypriots' race, religion, language etc. are completely different than those of Greek Cypriots.. So, you are saying "impossible", and bombard POV views on Cyprus-dispute related articles.
Alexyflemming (talk) 23:06, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Latin Cypriots[edit]

Latin Cypriots, save for being Catholic, identify as Greek Cypriot. It's a bit of a stretch to claim that they're a separate ethnic group. Also, this isn't an edit that should be marked as minor. 31.153.94.214 (talk) 18:44, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

United States Federal Court also Kicked Greek Cypriots[edit]

USA Federal Court decision on Cyprus must be placed to Cyprus' article.:
United States Federal Court: "..Greek Cypriots cannot claim that the government in control of Northern Cyprus gave their homes to Turkish Cypriots....Although the United States does not recognize it as a state, the TRNC purportedly operates as a democratic republic with a president, prime minister, legislature and judiciary...TRNC is not vulnerable to a lawsuit in Washington". Source.Alexyflemming (talk) 23:04, 14 October 2014 (UTC)