Talk:Cyprus internment camps

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
          This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
WikiProject Israel (Rated Start-class)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Israel, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Israel on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
Start-Class article Start  This article has been rated as Start-Class on the project's quality scale.
 ???  This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
 
WikiProject Palestine (Rated Start-class, Mid-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Palestine, a team effort dedicated to building and maintaining comprehensive, informative and balanced articles related to the geographic Palestine region, the Palestinian people and the State of Palestine on Wikipedia. Join us by visiting the project page, where you can add your name to the list of members where you can contribute to the discussions.
Start-Class article Start  This article has been rated as Start-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Mid  This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
WikiProject Correction and Detention Facilities (Rated Start-class, Low-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Correction and Detention Facilities, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Correction and Detention Facilities on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
Start-Class article Start  This article has been rated as Start-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Low  This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
 

Untitled[edit]

'Thanks to British willingness to allow British and American Jewish communities to aid the inmates and limited press access, inmates did not face the kind of viciousness or deprivation associated with Nazi or Soviet concentration camps'

I.e. Thanks to Jewish intervention which occurred thanks to British willingness to be assisted, the British did not behave like Nazis or Stalinists in Auschwitz and the gulag.

Does no one control these articles, with their total lack of citational form, ridiculous logic and POV-rigging?Nishidani (talk) 15:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

The sentence was corrected.

Telaviv1 (talk) 07:35, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. That is much better. There are three sources in the refs section but the article would be much improved if page numbers relevant to all major conclusions were added throughout the article.Nishidani (talk) 09:57, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

==[edit]

I would like to see someone with more knowledge than me add the names of the camps that existed on cyprus. Or at least discuss their location in reference to nearest town.Trucker11 (talk) 00:01, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

NPOV tag[edit]

This article reads like a Zionist childrens' book. It is full of opinions masquerading as facts. Like "In spite of repeated requests to lift restrictions to save lives otherwise lost in the Holocaust, and later the plight of thousands of displaced Holocaust survivors, the British still enforced the quotas set in the White Paper of 1939." - this is the standard ploy that equates admission to Palestine with escape from the Nazis. It is not good enough for Wikipedia. In fact no point of view other than the Zionist one is mentioned at all. The article is remarkably light on facts too, for example there is almost nothing about the use of Cyprus for refugees during the war. Many important sentences carry no citations. I'm tagging the article as a whole since classifying individual sentences according to their problems would need a tag on about 2/3 of them. Zerotalk 14:50, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I worked on it myself. Zerotalk 02:55, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
To explain more, the previous text gave the false impression that people fleeing the Holocaust were imprisoned in the camps, but in fact they didn't open until 1946. That makes much of the rhetoric about the war years irrelevant. Otherwise I only removed some newspaper references that were not much use, instead replacing them by many details from published academic sources. I removed almost no factual information but added a great amount. Now the article is well sourced and dispassionate, whereas previously it was neither. Zerotalk 13:38, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
And more explanation of deletions: "before and after WWII", no, they started in 1946; "the funds for the maintenance of the camps were drawn from taxes collected from the Jewish population of Palestine", makes little sense anyway no source; "1,000 Jews a month...half that quota, 500 Jews a month, were allowed in from Cyprus", is wrong and the correct figures are given with a good source; "The fact that the camps were constructed by, and partially housed, German POW...", undue weight over a trivial matter, and also doubt source supports all this. Zerotalk 23:26, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Documentation[edit]

I am writing from the JDC archives and have curated a collection that has some documents that deal directly with the Cyprus internment camps.[1] It includes correspondence regarding the camps, lists of people in the camps, documents highlighting what life was like in the camps. I think this documentation would benefit and enrich the page, but I wanted to write to get opinions before I made any edits. Any and all thoughts are welcome. Archivist123 (talk) 16:29, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest. Please read WP:PRIMARY carefully, as it is (part of) one of the core policies of Wikipedia. In a nutshell, you can't use Wikipedia as the first place of publication of archival material otherwise unpublished, and you can't provide your own interpretation of primary source materials (whether those materials are published or not). On the other hand, reporting of facts and analysis that is already published in a venue that meets the criterion of a reliable source is fine. Material already published on a JDC website is likely to be acceptable, except that anything that looks argumentative, self-serving, or contrary to published scholarly sources might have to be presented as JDC assertion rather than as plain fact. Cherry-picking of items in order to promote a particular view (for example to bolster a Jewish case against the UK or vice-versa) would be a violation of another core policy WP:NPOV. Zerotalk 14:01, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for being so prompt in replying. I am new to editing on Wikipedia and appreciate any guidance. The documentation from the JDC is available on their archival website so I don't think any edits using this information would violate any policies in that way. The materials provide further support regarding the role the JDC played in providing aid for detainees as well as general information about detainees. For example, one document contains a list of infants in Xylotymbou Camps while another is a report on infants. These documents also support the notion that conditions within the camps were harsh and often unsanitary. Would it be best to include supporting documentation as references to what exists within the article or is it best to insert an explanatory or additional sentence and directly cite that? Archivist123 (talk) 16:21, 3 December 2012 (UTC)