Talk:Dáire Cerbba
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Context for sources[edit]
A point that must be made is that the Uí Fidgenti and Uí Liatháin are given by a number of scholars as the textbook cases of genealogical manipulation or fabrication in the Munster context, during the later process of the formation of the Kingdom of Cashel > Munster. Furthermore, the name Dáire in particular is considered by many to be loaded with certain mythological and dynastic associations and these add another difficult layer of context.
Thus a proper article like this is slowly becoming is going to require a substantial number of relevant sources. However note that I am treating the subject as conservatively as possible and plan not to introduce whatever can be avoided on the mythological side. There may be a brief necessary digression on Mongfind's side (there are three or four of her) when we get to it, and with a quick nod to the case of Dáire but that's it altogether.
Book of Munster[edit]
(Rawlinson B 502 and Laud 610 require discussion first)
O'Keefe's translation of the Book of Munster set forth the relationship of the several generations of this group as follows:
Fiachu Muillethan had three sons: Oilill Flann Mor, Oilill Flann Beag and Deachluath. The latter, Deachluath, is ancestor of the tribe called Uí Fiachach Eile (in north-east of Tipperary – Thurles and Roscrea) and Oilill Flann Mor left no issue. Oilill Flann Beag had four sons:
- Lughaid, ancestor of the Eóganachta (septs included O'Callaghan, MacCarthy, O'Donoghue, MacGillycuddy, O'Keeffe, O'Moriarity, O'Sullivan, among others.)
- Fiodach, father of the Crimthann mac Fidaig;
- Daire Cearba, from whom the Uí Liatháin;
- Maine Munchaoin, from whom the Uí Fidgenti (Septs included O'Donovan, O'Collins, O'Flannery, Lyons, among others.).
Fiodach, to him was son Criomthann Mor mac Fiodhaig (a notorious sea raider in 369 A.D. into Scotland) and who took the fortress of Doire Da Broc from his nephews, the sons of Eochaid Mugmeadhon (of the kings of Tara) i.e., from Brian, Fiachra, Oilill and Feargus. Crimthann's sister Mongfind was mother of those four sons. So that her son, Brian, would get the kingship of Ireland, she plotted to poison her brother, Criomthann; the latter died of that poisonous drink; Mungfionn herself died as well at Inish Donglais on the Moy (Co. Mayo) - as she tasted the drink in order to induce her brother to drink from it. Crimthann, having drunk it, came to Sliabh Uidhe on Riogh "The Mountain of the King's Death" (now Cratloe Hill, Co. Clare) and there died.[1]
Later mentions[edit]
(removed from the article for now)
Daire Cerbba is credited as the ancestor of the Ui Fidgheinte and thus the O'Donovan family, and was referred to in a poem addressed to Donal II O'Donovan, chief of Clan Cathail, in as late as the early 17th century, by the bardic poet Tadhg Olltach Ó an Cháinte.[2]
Modern descendants of Daire Cerbba include the O'Connells of Derrynane,[3][4] Daniel Charles, Count O'Connell having explicitly declared this to the heralds of Louis XVI of France. Also was Michael Collins, descending from the Ó Coileáin of Uí Chonaill Gabra,[5][6] once the most powerful sept of the Uí Fidgenti.
Book of Lismore[edit]
(references to this additional passage moved from article for now)
Mongfind is simply called the daughter of Daire (Cerbba?), not of Fidach, in the Book of Lismore, and there Daire's father is called Findchad, while Crimthand Mór is not mentioned at all.[7] Thus the alternative exists that they were not originally brother and sister.
Amra Con Roi[edit]
Got it! See Patrick L. Henry, "Amra Con Roi (ACR); Discussion, edition, translation", in Études Celtiques, vol. 31, 1995. pp. 179-194. See especially pp. 189, 193.
The "Clanna Dedad" or "Dáire's family" had a contingent stationed in Brega, presumably to control the border with Ulster. It would also help explain Crimthann's access to Tara later, although Cerbba appears to have gone to Munster himself first. And in fact it would appear according to Ulster tradition the Clanna D. did at one time have people at Emly too (The Táin, tr. Faraday (1904), p. 68).
Laud 610[edit]
(I'm including a bit overmuch in this section for context. One thing to note in all I've ever seen involving the Uí Fidgenti, their nearest relations and any possible references to the Clanna Dedad, is they always use the later form versus the earlier Deg(ad)/Dag/Daig to be found elsewhere. As far as I can tell, the earlier form remained specific to Munster whereas Ded/Deda/Dedu/Dedad seems to have some relation to its pronunciation in the Ulster Cycle tradition, although not all Ulster-associated pedigrees. Something else of interest might be that although often interpreted as Dáirine, descendants of Cerbba have in no clear instance I've ever found self-designated as such, while at the same time demonstrating a general aversion to the use of Lug/Lugaid or their variants, suggesting their own personal variety of relative conservatism when keeping in mind some recurrent association with the Ded- form. Altogether it temps one to take seriously the association with the Midlands Cerbba is given in the Psalter of Cashel, however accurate the reason given. Either that, or the region of ancient Limerick maintained, following Keating on Bruree, some actual continuity from the "Age of Cú Roí", but these speculations are far from mutually exclusive)
In cuad (sic) fer húad-side .i. Duach dalta Dedaid dorochair la Fachtna Fáthach mac Cais maic Rudraigi. Is hé robói ria nEochaid Feidlech. Ó dorochair Duach la hUltu rofuirmiset for Eochaid Ferfuirmid .i. mac Duach .i. fer forrofuirmed. Rogab Érnai nert for síl nÉbir íar sin co ragaib Iar sin co ragaib Iar mac Dedad ríge & atraracht nert claindi Dedad .i. Dáire & Binne Ros & Forai Glas & Conganchnes & rl.
Roindarbtha tra síl nÉbir {folio 93a2} i n-imlib Muman. In sechtmad, fer ó Eochaig Ferfuirmi .i. Eogan Táidlech diarbo ainm Mug Núadat, ó ráter Leth Moga Núadat .i. dalta Núadat maic Bairr maic Dáríne. Dia mbas oc dénam rátha Núadat, is ann rogaired de-seom Mug Núadat.
Mog Núadat dano, dá mac lais .i. Lugaid Lága & Ailill Ólom. Is eside rogab Áne ingin Fir hÍ maic Eogabail co ndechaid chuici fo chét[macr ]ir, co reoben si a chlúais de in tan bás oc tíachtain, conid do sin rodngeguin Ailill Ólom.
Ailill Ólom, nói maic déc lais .i. Eogan a quo Eoganachta huili; Cormac Cass a quo Dál Cais; Cían a quo Cíandachta & Gailenga & Luigne. Ní fogabar clann oc maccaib Ailella acht an triar so.
Eogan mac Ailella mac do Fíachaig Mullethan risinn-abar Fer da líach .i. dá líach dó marbad a athar a n-inbaid a geine & éc a máthar dia breith. Ceithri maic Ailella Flainn Bicc maic Fhíachach .i. Lugaid (Láre) Fidach .i. athair Crimthaind & Mongfhinne. Mane Muncháin, is húad Úi Fidginte. Dáre Cerba, is húad Úi Líatháin. Tri maic Fíachach Fidgennid .i. Brión, Sétna, Laegairi. Secht maic Brióin maic Fíachach .i. Cairpre Goll, Lugaid, Dáre, Fergus, Rus, Cormac, Costaire.
Cóic maic Carpri maic Briúin: Erc, Echín, Sétna, Cormac, Eirberthi. Eichín immurgu a quo Fir Thamnach & rl.
Secht maic Echach Líatháin meic Dáre Cerbae .i. Carpre Cael, Corc, Corp, Mac Brocc, Ailill Tasach. Secht maic Ailella Tassaig .i. Laegaire, Breasal, Mac Draigneáin, Mac Carthaind, Áed, Feidlimid, Óengus Brecc, Nóis éces.
Lugaid mac Ailella tres filios habuit .i. Lugaid, a quo nÚi Luigdech Éle; Cathdubh, a quo hÚi Chathbad Chuille. Corc mac Luigdech septem filios habuit .i. Carpre Cruithnechán, a quo Eoghanacht Locha Léin; Mac Caiss, a quo hÚi Echach Ráithlind; {folio 93b1} Mac Broc nó Trena, a quo hÚi Trena; Mac Iair, a quo Úi Maic Iair; Daig, a quo hÚi Muiredaig, Mac Láre, a quo Úi Maic Láre; Natfráich, a quo Eoganacht Áne & Chaisil & Glennamnach & Airthir Chliach. Natfráich duos filios habuit .i. Óengus & Ailill, a quo Eoganacht Áne.
Óengus immorru, .xxiiii. maic leis & .xxiiii. filias habuit. Íar tíchtain adropairt da mac déc & dá ingin déc do Día, qui omnes sancti & sancte sunt. It é annso anmann in dá mac déc: Domonnai .i. Feidlimid Dubgilcach, a quo Eoganacht Caisil & Fingein & Failbe; ii. Eochaid, a quo Cathal mac Finguine; iii. Bresal; iiii. Senach, de quo dicitur óengrés in gabair lasin ríg, cuius hereditatem Énna possidet; u. Áed Cóech. Trí maic Ethne hUathche ingene, a quo Cenél nEthne.
Mac Cárthind, a quo Gubi & Dub Conaind & Dub Derir & Aed Colpdai; uii. Nafaitreg, a quo hÚi Gruibne; uiii. Áed; ix. Fedlimid; x. Loscan; xi. Nadgeid quorum trium generum hi tírib hÚa nDuach sunt & alia pars de genere Nadgein in regionibus na nDési .i. Nadgeid; xii. Nathí.
Colman mac Dáríne nó Dáráne, cuius reliquiae sunt i nDaire Mór, & Lugaid, cuius reliquiae sunt hi nDruim Indasclaind & rl.
... (the following passage contains an important difference from that cited right below, 6 > 7 with the inclusion of Íth)
{folio 98a1}Di raind etir maccu Eilella Flanc Bicc.
Cf. Rawl. B 502, p. 149 a32; BB. 173 c35.
Rorandsat a feranda hi cetheora ranna co Comor Trí nUisci. Quattuor filios habuit .i. Fidach, cuius filius Crimthan Mór mac Fidaigm & Luigtheg for óenleth; Maine Muncháin & Dáre cherbae for leith aili. Emmon nhDáre & in Mane. Atchondairc a mmáthair .i. druim cechtarnái fri araile ina clíab & dóel i medón eturru .i. síl Moga Roith in druad, conná cumaic nechtar de cobair araile. It é dano batir hoa & itt é fongiulatar cruiti a n-athar .i. Corco Ché & ind indbaith .i. Corco Muchit. Alii dicunt betis secht maic la Dáre .i. Fíachra, Eocha, Íth, Fidach, Dan, Ded, Dera.
Rawlinson B 502 (Book of Glendalough)[edit]
INCIPIT DE GENELOGIA SÍL ÉBIR.
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¶1078] Éogan Már trá óenmc leis .i. Fiachu Mullethan idem & Fiachu Fer Dá Liach.
¶1079] Dá mc la Fiachaich .i. Ailill Flann Mór & Ailill Flann Bec. Ambrit immorru Ailill Flann Mór.
¶1080] Ailill Flann Bec duos filios habuit id est Lugaid & Dáre Cerbba. Fo-gabar isna genelogib Ailill Flann Bec m. Ailella Flainn Máir & issed fo-tera sin ar do-chuaid Ailill Flann Bec i n- atharda co Ailill Flann Már ar ropo olcc leis cen chlaind coa sinser-bráthair. Fo-gabar i nn-arailib lebraib comraind clainni Ailella Flainn Bic fri Ailill Flann Már arin fáth cétna. Sed tamen Ailill Flann Már unquam non habuit prolem.
¶1081] Dáre Cerbba dano in dara mc Ailella Flainn Bic .vi. filios habuit id est: Fiachu Fidgenid a quo Úi Fidgeinti, Eochu Liathán a quo Úi Liatháin, Fidach a quo Crimthann Már m. Fidaig rí h- Érenn & Alban, Dedad a quo Úi Dedaid id est Úi Braccáin & Úi Ailella i n-airthiur Éoganachta Caisil, Dau et Der.
¶1082] Lugaid in mc aile tres filios habuit .i. dá m. Duílae ingine Fiachrach ríg Éile .i. Lugaid a quo Úi Luigdech Éile, Cathbad a quo Úi Cathbad Chuille.
¶1083] In tres mc Corcc m. Luigdech .vii. filios habuit id est: Cairpre Cruithnechán nó Carpre Luachra mc Mongfhinne ingine Feradaich Find Fechtnaich ríg Cruthentuaithi ideo, Cairpre Cruithnechán nuncupatur & a quo Éoganacht Locha Léin. Cethri mc dano Óebfhinne ingine Óengusa Builg ríg Corcco Laígdi: Nad Fróech a quo Mac Láre & a quo Éoganacht Caissil & Éoganacht Áine & Éoganacht Glendamnach et Éoganacht Daurluis Airthir Chliach, Mac Cass a quo Úi Echach, Mac Brócc qui et Trena a quo Úi Threna, Mac Iair a quo Úi Meic Iair. Sessed mc Cuircc .i. Daig a quo Úi Muiredaig &rl. Sechtmad mc .i. Cairpre Cruithnecháin a quo Éoganacht Maigi Dergind i n-Albae .i. dia rabi Óengus rí Alban.
¶1084] Is í ind Óebfhind-sa uidit in n-aslinge in chét-aidche ro fáe lasin ríg h-i Caissiul .i. at-chonnairc ro lamnastar cethri cuilénu .i. ro fothraic in cétna cuilén a fín .i. Nad Fróech. Ro fhothraic in tánaise a cormaim .i. Mac Cas. Ro fothraic in tres i l-lemnacht .i. Mac Brócc. Ro fothraic quartum in aqua .i. Mac Iair. Tárraid in cóiced cuilén chuicce dianechtair inna lige & ro fothraic-side h-i fuil. Ipse est Cairpre Cruitnechán & am-soí immorro é-side fria co n-duaid a cíche dia bruinnib &rl.
¶1085] Nad Fróech duos filios habuit id est Óengus & Ailill. Ailill a quo Éoganacht Áine.
¶1086] Óengus autem .xxiiii. filios et filias .xxiiii. habuit. Iar tíchtain do Pátric iarum ad-rópart dá mc déc & dá ingin déc Deo qui omnes sancti et sanctae sunt. It h-é inso anmann in dá mc déc domanna: Feideilmid a quo Éoganacht Caissil, Dub Gilcaich a quo Fíngin & Faílbe, Eochaid a quo Cathal m. Finguine, Bressal a quo Cormac m. Cuilennáin, Senach a quo dicitur óengress in gabuir lasin ríg cuius hereditatem Énna possidet, Áed Cáech; trí mc Eithni Uathaige a quo Cenél n-Eithne; Mac Cáirthind a quo Gubi & Dub Conaind & Dub Derir & Áed Colptha, Nath Fithrech a quo Úi Gruibni, Áed, Feidelmid, Loscán, Nad Genaid quorum trium genera h-i tírib Úa n- Duach sunt et alia pars de Genere Nad Genid in regionibus na n-Déissi .i. Lugaid m. Nad Genid, Nath Í. Dá mc dano do Óengus .i. Colmán Mór mc Daráine cuius reliquiae i n-Daire Mór ocus Lugaid cuius reliquiae sunt i n-Druim Inasclaing.
¶1087] Cóic mc Crimthaind Sreim .i. dá Áed dá mc Cumne, Diarmait Find, Feidelmid Aulethan, Ailill Dub, Cormac Srúbán.
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DEND RAINN ETER MACCO AILELLA FLAINN BIC dia ro rannsat a ferann i cethair co Commur Trí n- Uisque.
¶1096] Cethri mc leis .i. Fidach diarbu mc Crimthann Már & Luigdech for óenleth, Maine Munchaín & Dáre Cerbba forsan leth n-aill. Emuin són dano in Maine & in Dáre. Is dóib at-connairc a máthair in fís .i. druimm cach áe díb fri araile inna cliab & dáel inter se .i. Síl Mogad Ruith in druad inter se conná cumaing nech díb cobair araile.
¶1097] Alii dicunt betis sé mc Dáre Cerbba ut dicitur:
Eochu, Fidach, Fiachu, Dau, Dera, Ded; sé meic Dáre chóemem Ceirp h-uaisle láech leirg na ler.
¶1098] Lóch Már mc Ma Femis a quo sunt Éoganachta & Fianna Luigne Úi Dedaid Deocluaid m. Fiachach Oele idem et Fer Dá Liach sed alii dicunt ut praediximus Dau, Ded, Dera, Liathán, Fidach, Fidgenid filios habuisse Dáre Cerbba. Dá Dau dá mc Óengusa Bruigde mc Maine Munchaín nó mc Fiachach Oele. Alii dicunt duos filios fuisse Ailella Flainn Máir.
¶1099] Trí mc Fiachach Fidgenid .i. Brion, Sétna, Láegaire.
¶1100] Secht mc Brioin mc Fiachach .i. Cairpre Goll, Lugaid, Dáre, Fergus, Rus, Cormac, Cosdaire.
¶1101] Cóic mc Cairpri m. Brioin: Ercc, Echen, Sétna, Cormac, h-Irbirti.
¶1102] Echen immorro a quo Fir Thamnach &rl.
¶1103] Secht mc Echach Liatháin m. Dáre Cerba .i. Cairpre, Cóel, Corcc, Corp, Mac Brócc, Ailill Tassach.
¶1104] Ocht mc Ailella Tassaich .i. Láegaire, Bressal, Mac Draignén, Mac Cáirthind, Áed, Feideilmid, Óengus Brecc, Noois éicess &rl.
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(GENELACH) ÚA MEIC (B)RÓCC. (NOTE: this random passage following the Uí Echach pedigree could be related to?)
¶1144] Indrechtach m. Torpthai m. Mind Maiche m. Dub Dá Bárcc m. Mainchíni
¶1145] Crundmáel m. Conaill m. Meic Lasre m. Móenchíne m. Móenaich Máir m. Echdach m. Threna m. Meic Brócc.
¶1146] Eochaid & Fiachra & Trian trí m. Threna quem genuid de sorore sua quam habuit uxorem.
¶1147] Ceinselach m. Labrada cuius genus in Laiginensi terra habitat.
¶1148] Ruissíne & Celtchar & Suibne trí mc Lappae m. Áeda m. Causáin m. Ailella m. Echdach m. Threna m. Meic Brócc.
¶1149] Dá m. Áeda: Lappa & h-Uilide.
¶1150] Airttíni m. Airmedaig m. Lappae.
¶1151] Suibne m. Máel h-Umai m. Laisre m. Echdach m. Threna.
¶1152] Coíserach m. Conaill m. Maine m. Fergusa{facsimile page & column 150b} m. Scandail m. Móenaich m. Echach m. Threna m. Meic Brócc.
...
DE GENELOGIA ÚA N- DEDAID.
¶1201] Dáre m. Blaithmeic m. Notáinm. Cerccáin m. Braccáin m. Trichíne mc Nainneda m. Braccáin m. Dedad m. Degluinni m. Etarscéla m. Fiachrach Oele.
¶1202] Dá mc Dedaid: Braccán & Ailill.
¶1203] Cóic m. Braccáin: Nainnid, Feideilmid, Cobthach, Éogan, Crón.
¶1204] Trí mc Ailella: Fiachra, Nad Fraích, Tigernach. Sed alii aliter dicunt ut praediximus .i. Dau, Ded, Dera, Liathán, Fidach, Fidgenid filios fuise Dáre Cherbba.
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GENELOGIA ÚA LIATHÁIN ut inuenitur in Psalterio Caissil.
¶1210] Anmchaid m. Dúnchada m. Rónáin m. Dícolla m. Fergusa Tuile m. Feradaig Dornmáir m. Cailléni Duib mc Meic Caille m. Meic Brócc m. Dáre Cherbba m. Maine Munchaín m. Ailella Flaind Bic m. Fiachach Mullethain.
¶1211] Aliter: Eochaid Liathán m. Maine Cherbba m. Cirbb m. Ailella Flaind Bicc m. Fiachach Fir Dá Liach, sed tamen hoc non probabile est quia Fiachaich Mullethan & Fiachu Fer Dá Liach duo nomina unius hominis sunt quamuis imperiti aliter putant. Sciendum autem est quod Ailill Flann Mór nullam prolem habuit sed Aililla Flainn Bic ei proles numeratur. Dáre Cerbba uero ideo hóc nuncupatus est{facsimile page & column 151b} quia natus est i m-Methus Cerbba i m-Bregaib.
¶1212] Dá mc Dúnchada: Tuathal a quo Úi Glaissín & Anmchaid a quo Úi Anmchada.
¶1213] Secht mc Anmchada .i. Fáelchad Mór, Torpad, Flaithnia, Áed Find, Cináed, Domnall, Flannchad.
¶1214] Secht m. Liatháin: Carpre Cóel, Corcc Corb, Ailill Tassach .i. ardtoíssech nó Tassach tostach, Mac Brócc s Mac Brócc, Bairig quem dicunt m. Úi Chruind fuisse, Fiachu, Crimthan Sléibi, Conall.
... (further Uí Liatháin pedigrees continue)
(G)ENELACH ÚA (F)IDGENTE.
¶1236] Flannabra m. Ciarmaccáin m. Flannabrat mc Scandláin m. Dúnadaig m. Scandláin m. Flaind m. Eircc m. Donennaich m. Óengusa m. Nechtain Cennfhota m. Brénaind m. Araide m. Conaill a quo Úi Chonaill Gabra m. Intait Dárai m. Brioin m. Fiachach Fidgeinti m. Dáre Cherbba m. Ailella Flainn Bic.
¶1237] De chuirr luingge n a n-giall Fidgenid nuncipatus est et qui fecit equum lingneum. In Circio Colmáin h-i l-Liphu agitauit.
¶1238] Alii dicunt combad Fidgenid m. Maine Munchaín m. Ailella Flaind Bic m. Fiachach Fir Dá Liach.
¶1239] Trí mc Fiachach Fidgeinte: Brion, Sétna, Láegaire.
¶1240] Secht mc Brioin m. Fiachach: Cairpre Goll, Lugaid, Dáire, Fergus, Rus, Cormac, Cosdaire.
¶1241] Cethri mc Doinennaich: Ercc, Aed Dub, Conall, Tuathchar.
DE h-ÚIB CORMAIC.
¶1242] Cethernach m. Célechair m. Commáin m. Maínaich m. Báetháin m. Echdach Cluasaich m. Duach m. Brioin m. Cormaic m. Fintain m. Dáre m. Briúin.
DE GENELOGIA ÚA CAIRPRI.
¶1243] Cenn Fáelad m. Duib Dá Bairenn m. Áeda Róin m. Éoganáin m. Crundmaíl m. Áeda m. Óengusa Lappae m. Ailella Cennfhota m. Eircc m. Cairpri m. Brioin m. Fiachach Fidgeinte.
¶1244] Cóic mc Cairpri m. Brioin: Ercc, Echen, Trian, Sétna, Cormac Inbirte. Echen a quo Fir Thamnaig & Meic Brócáin Úi Gairbáin. Trian a quo Cú Cháech m. Áeda Gairb. Sétna a quo Meic Con h- Íraich. Cormac a quo Meic Cáech Luinge.
DE GENELOGIA FER TAMNAIG. ITEM ÚI LAPPAE.
¶1245] Flann Ressach m. Cummascaich m. Eircc m. Saithgil m. Lappae.
... (further Uí Fidgenti pedigrees, then immediately followed by the Psalter's Dalcassian ones)
... (following a bit else is the last "closely" related pedigree)
GENELACH ÚA FIDGEINTI.
¶1363] Máel Ruanaid m. Máel Suthain m. Echthigirn m. Billrin m. Dúbartaich m. Gussáin m. Dúnadaich m. Gillai Fursu m. Conaill m. Cind Fáelad m. Duib Dá Bairenn m. Áeda Róin m. Éoganáin m. Crunnmaíl m. Áedo m. Óengusa (.i. Lappae) m. Ailella Cennfota m. h-Eircc m. Cairpri m. Brioin m. Fiachach Fidgenid m. Maine Munchaín m. Ailella Flaind Bic.
... (now we're in Corca Laidhe/Ithian territory, and there's one that may be related to the Uí Fidgenti here too)
NUNC (ÚI MEIC) H- (EIRC).
¶1402] Dá mc Threna m. Duach: Mac Eircc & Óengus.
¶1403] Trí mc Conchinne ingine Cathbad .i. Mac Eircc, Óengus, Conall Clóen in tres mc. Is ed Cenél Conchinni: a fhéic ó Dui cosin drochet oc Loch Imchada.
¶1404] Trí m. Meic Eircc: Cormac, Balar, Russ.
¶1405] Fergus m. Lapae m. Fiachnae m. Rossa m. Meic Eircc mc Threno.
¶1406] Fachtna m. Moínaich m. Cairill m. Fiachna m. Rossa m. Meic Eircc.
Not too far after, we get to the Ulidian world, complete with Fergus' eventual matrilineal attachment to the Corca Laidhe via Dáire Doimthech (etc) after earlier reading about Fiatach Finn being of the Clanna Degad, and then more of that follows.
Sources[edit]
I'm doing the best I can with the time I have and am actually trying to be as conservative as possible. For example, I've actually seen Dáire in O'Halloran called King of Leth Mogha but have chosen to ignore it because the concept didn't exist at the time and O'Halloran seems to have been a bit of a Limerick nationalist. What I intend to do over time is split the body of the article into ancestry and kingship-descendant related sections, together with another small paragraph for the lede, applying doubt wherever necessary throughout, and consider it done after that.
Contents[edit]
The introductory section of this article is much longer than the body of the article. Could this be expanded? Liz Read! Talk! 17:02, 18 September 2013 (UTC)