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Redundant[edit]

This article is redundant to the one for Defense_Condition.

It's not, it's about something entirely different. Wouter Lievens 16:03, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
That was posted in September 2003. I'm assuming that at that time, the article was indeed redundant for Defense Condition, so somebody changed it to be about the hacker con instead. Yeah. --Myles Long 17:19, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I wouldn't be caught alive at DEFCON. --Cyberman 20:48, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'm really proud of you. --Myles Long 15:44, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I wouldn't be caught sober at defcon. --Jack (Cuervo) 30 June 2005 23:00 (UTC)
Amen. —RaD Man (talk) 1 July 2005 01:12 (UTC)

Is that really you RaD man? (does "ansi ACiD mean" anything to you??) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.174.21.27 (talk) 16:51, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Whom[edit]

What about "pool2girl"?

Change the name from def_con to Defcon(convention)[edit]

my understanding was that it is called defcon(it certainly on defcon.org). I'm the reason it was not named defcon was that the name defcon was already taken for defense condition. Why not defcon(convention) or something similar. Ethyr 17:21, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree, that would make more sense. Rm999
I agree as well, on their website they refer to it as DEFCON (in all caps), and not 'DEF CON'. --Credema 06:30, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
It seems that I was wrong, they appear to use different spellings throughout their website. interchangeably, they will use both DEFCON as well as DEF CON and even Defcon. --Credema 06:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
I'd prefer Defcon (convention) because DEF_CON just looks ugly. I don't think that's a good enough reason for a rename, though. Oh well. spazure (contribs) 04:47, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Removal of hack the rnc event[edit]

Year unknown One incident involved an attendee who gave a presentation titled "Hack the RNC." On stage, the presenter exhorted attendees to go back to New York and blow up a bus in front of Vice President Dick Cheney and kill members of the Republican party. [1]

"'I thought I would be killed in the rush of people running to the stage to beat the snot out of him,'" Defcon spokesman Priest said of this incident. Meanwhile, out a side door, eight to nine federal agents were 'chomping at the bit for access to the kid to drag him into jail,' he said.

"'They had to take him into custody to protect' him from the Defcon crowd, he said. He wound up serving three years out of a five-year jail sentence.

"'We are a global community, but we are a law-abiding and patriotic community,' said Priest, who himself is a government employee."

This was removed because not only is a distortion of a real event, but the citation is for another story, and the person who posted this couldn't be bothered to do a google search for the year (2002 by the way).

this is what actually happened http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/08/02/1426209

It seems like a rather minor event that has no place in the article. Ethyr 19:53, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

The citation was not for another story, it was also for the RNC story-- it mentioned it. It was the source for that story the way it was told.--76.182.88.254 04:03, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

1.^ Cassel, David (4 August 2007). "Transcript: Michelle Madigan's run from Defcon". Tech.Blorge.com. Retrieved on 2007-08-15.
I just checked and it does not mention everything about the rnc. It does not even contain the word rnc. Ethyr 21:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't that article. The original article cited did mention it, but it seems to be gone from the article now.76.182.88.254 21:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Links[edit]

Removed link to flickr since none of the pictures seemed relevant (plus anyone can do a search on flickr for defcon if they wanted) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.6.237.252 (talk) 14:44, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Origin of the name "DEF CON"?[edit]

What does "DEF CON" stand for? Or is it meant to be a reference to the defense readiness condition? --75.5.198.24 (talk) 00:44, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Latter. --Gwern (contribs) 05:27 29 January 2008 (GMT)

Law Enforcement[edit]

Is the statement 'Federal law enforcement agents from the FBI, DoD, United States Postal Inspection Service and other agencies regularly attend DEF CON, and are not required to wear identification badges' really relevant? I mean, they also regularly eat lunch at Pizza Hut & don't have to wear identification badges. For that matter, pizza delivery guys attend DEF CON without identifying themselves as pizza delivery guys. It seems I'm missing something, or rather, the article is missing something. This statement should either be expanded on or omitted. Haqui11a (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:43, 20 April 2010 (UTC).

This harkens back to a time when federal law enforcement agents weren't welcomed by computer geeks. Early on feds would go undercover to catch con-goers in criminal acts or admitting to them. This quickly led to the game of "Spot the Fed" which involved pointing out to Priest or one of the Goons someone suspected of being a federal law enforcement officer. Both accuser and accusee would be called up to the stage and the accused would be asked to fess up. If the accusation was right, both would be awarded shirts of "I Spotted the Fed" and "I Am the Fed". Nowadays feds are more commonly found there to learn from and hire the hackers. Frotz (talk) 01:28, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Contests and events[edit]

This section reads like an advertisement for the event Rather than giving facts. It was probably copied from DEF CON's website. 74.195.244.167 (talk) 17:31, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

NSA Defcon recruitment page[edit]

Here is the NSA's DEF CON recruitment page:

I'm not sure what it can add to the article, but here it is. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:36, 14 June 2013 (UTC)