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Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard[edit]

Article is being discussed on Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#Dashavatara Bladesmulti (talk) 17:24, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Dashavatara painting[edit]

The description of the painting of dashavatara wrongly states that one of the pics is buddha. It is actually Vithoba. The popular position of vithoba is the padmasana as shown in the figure. Rameshnta909 (talk) 12:44, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

See FA Vithoba. Vithoba is always arms-akimbo. --Redtigerxyz Talk 12:47, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Buddha is popular as an avatar even in paintings. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 13:05, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

V&A image caption[edit]


The caption was copy pasted from 2007 V&A site, when uploaded. The site is redesigned now and does not have the old description. However it is preserved in Britannica, which uses it. Do not change the caption of the lead image. --Redtigerxyz Talk 13:25, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

We can put more neutral image to lead, but that will be discussed later. I think the other picture by Raja Ravi Varma should be on lead. Bladesmulti (talk) 05:06, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Representing Darwin's Evolution?!?[edit]

The avatars have nothing whatsoever to do with Darwin or the Theory of Evolution. Whoever decided to compare the two ill served both ideas. Luis Dantas (talk) 02:15, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

They have to do a lot. Have you looked around? Notable ones like J. B. S. Haldane shared this view. Bladesmulti (talk) 12:14, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Actually, is there a reliable reference for this redflag claim ? The Hindu views on evolution article links to "The India magazine of her people and culture, Volume 13, A. H. Advani, 1992, p. 92", but I am not sure what that work is or what it says exactly (I can see only snippets on google books). Can someone provide an exact quote for the claim ? I am removing the section from that article till we can make sure that we are presenting Haldane's opinion accurately. Abecedare (talk) 22:04, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Abecedare Haldane is just another one who shared the similar analysis.[1][2] Current source is reliable enough for adding this information.[3] There are more sources.[4]-[5]-[6] Bladesmulti (talk) 01:35, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
None of these sources are at all reliable on the subject of Haldane's view on avatars. I know that a simple google search throws up tons of religious forums and websites about the subject, but context-less quotes and commentaries don't help us write an encyclopdic entry. That said, here is a proper secondary source briefly discussing Haldanes view's on why evolution was more easily accepted in India than in the West (it references, Haldane's Darwin in the Indian perspective essay). However this is more directly relevant to the Hindu views on evolution article; I'll try to incorporate the reference there in the coming days and we can continue the conversation at Talk:Hindu views on evolution. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 02:02, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
That's about Haldane.[7] But what about the others who have seen the similarities? Perhaps you can rewrite but I don't see any reason for removing that particular line, it linked to other author. A number of observers have found similarities, or its incredible acceptance among Hindus, because of the similarities with the Darwin theory? Lead is pretty small right now.
We are talking about Dashavatra and Darwin's theory. Obviously the material can be reincorporated to Hindu views on evolution‎ again, without mentioning Haladane. Just like Dashavatara#Evolutionary_interpretation. Bladesmulti (talk) 02:29, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
I first heard about this theory in an essay from Annie Besant. Ironically, I am not finding that essay. Have added his guru Helena Blavatsky. This theory has roots in the 19th century era of Darwin. Redtigerxyz Talk 06:31, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Nice finds Red! The Meera Nanda article is particularly good.Btw, do you have access to the cited Science Reporter article? Plan to use some of these sources to expand the Hindu views on evolution article at some point. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 15:34, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

I just realized that you had cited the Brown article from this Handbook of Religion and the Authority of Science. The Meera Nanda article in the same volume has even more specific details about Dashavatara, Blavatsky etc and is worth looking at. Abecedare (talk) 15:51, 15 October 2014 (UTC)